Vetting the information you get from over the transum would be a full-time job, that's for sure. I
don't think a user-update-able wiki would work for this at all, BUT a website with an easy FTP link
would be great. People out there could easily upload scans of catalogs or record labels or lists
they've compiled. You'd need a web host that virus-scans everything as it comes in. And figure there
would be a portion of incoming that is inappropriate, nasty or filthy. And a large portion that's
just plain false and/or useless. That's the "internets" (as a former president calls it),
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel RUPPLI" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Updated Mercury discography
Yes,Roger,the idea came to both Bill Daniels, my friend who made a
tremendous work on researching data in various places, and myself for
a site devoted to work in progress on various labels. Extending it to
updating past works is attracting,too, but I am afraid this would be
a full time job!! (possibly for more than one person!!!)
Le 9 oct. 09 à 01:19, Roger Kulp a écrit :
> Has anybody considered the possibility of a discographical wiki,for Mercury or any other label ?
> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Updated Mercury discography
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:56 AM
> If someone takes this on, I am offering my help, too. I do have some details that were not
> available when Michel did his original book, on both pop and classical sessions. I am happy to
> help in exchange for a copy of the completed database.
> One problem Michel had was that many old session tapes were copied or re-boxed and a "Mercury
> Sound Studios" label attached. But, "Mercury Sound Studios," at least as originally constituted
> on 5th Avenue in NYC, was not a music-recording studio. It was, rather, an editing and
> promotion-production facility, and I think but do not know that disk mastering was added at some
> point in the 60's. Later on, in the late 60's, Mercury did operate recording studios, both on
> 57th Street in Manhattan and also in San Francisco. There was definitely in-house disk-mastering
> in NYC at that time, too, under the direction of John Eargle.
> The problem with all these "Mercury Sound Studios" labels on tape boxes is that many jazz and pop
> sessions were incorrectly sited at that facility, rather than the proper recording studios. In
> some cases, the proper studio information is in the original LP liner notes, but apparently
> these were not in the files anymore.
> Anyone wishing to update Michel's original work will need to track down and fix all those
> "Mercury Sound Studios" references until the late 60's, when Mercury actually did operate
> recording studios where music records were made.
> There are other cases where "location unknown" can be resolved by photos on the original album
> covers. It's a case by case thing, but certain studios had distinctive things that the trained
> eye can find.
> With the 50's and 60's jazz stuff, some of this was clarified during CD reissues.
> None of this is a knock on Michel or any other discographer. These complete discographies are
> monumental undertakings and my experience is that record-keeping at most or all record companies
> is not what you'd call archival ISO certified quality!
> One more thing. I would say the ONLY logical format for ANY discography these days is a database,
> and hopefully a standard format that can be easily searched, printed and distributed. So then
> you get into what's a viable business model, and in that is the rub. I'm wondering if discography
> should go in the class of basic medical research or public artwork, that it's supported by
> grants and/or public arts/culture funding.
> -- Tom Fine
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel RUPPLI" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
> I do not think that Greenwood has anymore interest in publishing
> discographies, nor is interested in producing CD-ROMs. The idea of
> transferring that Mercury work to CD-ROM is a good one,of course ,as
> it seems the way to go nowadays. As for myself, I have stockpiled
> large amounts of details on many Mercury artists, which outdate the
> printed work, and a new publication,in my opinion, should be an
> updated version. That requires a great amount of work, which I am
> unable to do at this time: I am involved in other projects, like a
> forthcoming version of Atlantic (updated) on CD-ROM, in the vein of
> what I made on Capitol,ABC and Blue Note labels in the past years.
> If some dedicated person appears be ready to go with updating
> Mercury, that would be a true challenge, and I would assist him (her)
> with my files.
> Anyone interested??
> Le 8 oct. 09 à 18:06, Thomas Stern a écrit :
>> Hello Michel,
>> Our messages crossed - Thanks for this information!
>> I wonder if anyone at Greenwood is thinking about making the Discography
>> series available
>> on CD-ROM? I, like many older collectors no longer can afford the price of
>> the print editions
>> of discographies. The production costs for ROM are significantly lower, and
>> would make the work
>> available, if the cost savings are passed on. If search capabilities are
>> included, the ROM
>> format is significantly better for searching.
>> Of course, I'd like to see a freely available online national discography
>> with everything,
>> but until that happens it is nice to see resources like 78discography
>> Best wishes, Thomas.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Michel RUPPLI
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
>> Yes,MG25073 wa a reissue of songs previously issued on 78 rpm in a 3
>> record set.
>> Here are details I mentioned in my Mercury Discoraphy (Grenwood Press,
>> NEW SONGS OF PALESTINE (SONGS OF ISRAEL):
>> We have the strength/ Merc.1068(alb.A-35)
>> Israel's heroes - -
>> Song of the signal man - -
>> Song of faith Merc.1069 -
>> Song of the Jewish partisans - -
>> Song of the Emek Merc.1070 -
>> This way - -
>> All titles also issued on Merc.MG25073.
>> Michel Ruppli
>> Le 8 oct. 09 à 16:29, Thomas Stern a écrit :
>>> Anyone know if the LP listed below
>>> originated from a 78rpm album?
>>> Who are the performers?
>>> Best wishes, Thomas.
>>> Mercury MG 25073 10"-LP
>>> Songs of Israel
>>> A1. We Have the Strength-Israel's Heroes
>>> A2. Song of the Signal Man
>>> A3. Song of Faith
>>> B1. Song of the Jewish Partisans
>>> B2. Song of the Emek
>>> B3. This Way