Has anybody considered the possibility of a discographical wiki,for Mercury or any other label ? Roger
--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [ARSCLIST] Updated Mercury discography
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Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:56 AM
If someone takes this on, I am offering my help, too. I do have some details that were not available when Michel did his original book, on both pop and classical sessions. I am happy to help in exchange for a copy of the completed database.
One problem Michel had was that many old session tapes were copied or re-boxed and a "Mercury Sound Studios" label attached. But, "Mercury Sound Studios," at least as originally constituted on 5th Avenue in NYC, was not a music-recording studio. It was, rather, an editing and promotion-production facility, and I think but do not know that disk mastering was added at some point in the 60's. Later on, in the late 60's, Mercury did operate recording studios, both on 57th Street in Manhattan and also in San Francisco. There was definitely in-house disk-mastering in NYC at that time, too, under the direction of John Eargle.
The problem with all these "Mercury Sound Studios" labels on tape boxes is that many jazz and pop sessions were incorrectly sited at that facility, rather than the proper recording studios. In some cases, the proper studio information is in the original LP liner notes, but apparently these were not in the files anymore.
Anyone wishing to update Michel's original work will need to track down and fix all those "Mercury Sound Studios" references until the late 60's, when Mercury actually did operate recording studios where music records were made.
There are other cases where "location unknown" can be resolved by photos on the original album covers. It's a case by case thing, but certain studios had distinctive things that the trained eye can find.
With the 50's and 60's jazz stuff, some of this was clarified during CD reissues.
None of this is a knock on Michel or any other discographer. These complete discographies are monumental undertakings and my experience is that record-keeping at most or all record companies is not what you'd call archival ISO certified quality!
One more thing. I would say the ONLY logical format for ANY discography these days is a database, and hopefully a standard format that can be easily searched, printed and distributed. So then you get into what's a viable business model, and in that is the rub. I'm wondering if discography should go in the class of basic medical research or public artwork, that it's supported by grants and/or public arts/culture funding.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel RUPPLI" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
I do not think that Greenwood has anymore interest in publishing
discographies, nor is interested in producing CD-ROMs. The idea of
transferring that Mercury work to CD-ROM is a good one,of course ,as
it seems the way to go nowadays. As for myself, I have stockpiled
large amounts of details on many Mercury artists, which outdate the
printed work, and a new publication,in my opinion, should be an
updated version. That requires a great amount of work, which I am
unable to do at this time: I am involved in other projects, like a
forthcoming version of Atlantic (updated) on CD-ROM, in the vein of
what I made on Capitol,ABC and Blue Note labels in the past years.
If some dedicated person appears be ready to go with updating
Mercury, that would be a true challenge, and I would assist him (her)
with my files.
Le 8 oct. 09 à 18:06, Thomas Stern a écrit :
> Hello Michel,
> Our messages crossed - Thanks for this information!
> I wonder if anyone at Greenwood is thinking about making the Discography
> series available
> on CD-ROM? I, like many older collectors no longer can afford the price of
> the print editions
> of discographies. The production costs for ROM are significantly lower, and
> would make the work
> available, if the cost savings are passed on. If search capabilities are
> included, the ROM
> format is significantly better for searching.
> Of course, I'd like to see a freely available online national discography
> with everything,
> but until that happens it is nice to see resources like 78discography
> Best wishes, Thomas.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Michel RUPPLI
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
> Yes,MG25073 wa a reissue of songs previously issued on 78 rpm in a 3
> record set.
> Here are details I mentioned in my Mercury Discoraphy (Grenwood Press,
> NEW SONGS OF PALESTINE (SONGS OF ISRAEL):
> We have the strength/ Merc.1068(alb.A-35)
> Israel's heroes - -
> Song of the signal man - -
> Song of faith Merc.1069 -
> Song of the Jewish partisans - -
> Song of the Emek Merc.1070 -
> This way - -
> All titles also issued on Merc.MG25073.
> Michel Ruppli
> Le 8 oct. 09 à 16:29, Thomas Stern a écrit :
>> Anyone know if the LP listed below
>> originated from a 78rpm album?
>> Who are the performers?
>> Best wishes, Thomas.
>> Mercury MG 25073 10"-LP
>> Songs of Israel
>> A1. We Have the Strength-Israel's Heroes
>> A2. Song of the Signal Man
>> A3. Song of Faith
>> B1. Song of the Jewish Partisans
>> B2. Song of the Emek
>> B3. This Way