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Re: Updated Mercury discography

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Michel RUPPLI <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:39:52 +0200

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Yes,Roger,the idea came to both Bill Daniels, my friend who made a  
tremendous work on researching data in various places, and myself for  
a site devoted to work in progress on various labels. Extending it to  
updating past works is attracting,too, but I am afraid this would be  
a full time job!! (possibly for more than one person!!!)
Michel
--------
Le 9 oct. 09 à 01:19, Roger Kulp a écrit :

>
> Has anybody considered the possibility of a discographical wiki,for  
> Mercury or any other label ?                                         
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Updated Mercury discography
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:56 AM
>
> If someone takes this on, I am offering my help, too. I do have  
> some details that were not available when Michel did his original  
> book, on both pop and classical sessions. I am happy to help in  
> exchange for a copy of the completed database.
>
> One problem Michel had was that many old session tapes were copied  
> or re-boxed and a "Mercury Sound Studios" label attached. But,  
> "Mercury Sound Studios," at least as originally constituted on 5th  
> Avenue in NYC, was not a music-recording studio. It was, rather, an  
> editing and promotion-production facility, and I think but do not  
> know that disk mastering was added at some point in the 60's. Later  
> on, in the late 60's, Mercury did operate recording studios, both  
> on 57th Street in Manhattan and also in San Francisco. There was  
> definitely in-house disk-mastering in NYC at that time, too, under  
> the direction of John Eargle.
>
> The problem with all these "Mercury Sound Studios" labels on tape  
> boxes is that many jazz and pop sessions were incorrectly sited at  
> that facility, rather than the proper recording studios. In some  
> cases, the proper studio information is in the original LP liner  
> notes, but apparently these were not in the files anymore.
>
> Anyone wishing to update Michel's original work will need to track  
> down and fix all those "Mercury Sound Studios" references until the  
> late 60's, when Mercury actually did operate recording studios  
> where music records were made.
>
> There are other cases where "location unknown" can be resolved by  
> photos on the original album covers. It's a case by case thing, but  
> certain studios had distinctive things that the trained eye can find.
>
> With the 50's and 60's jazz stuff, some of this was clarified  
> during CD reissues.
>
> None of this is a knock on Michel or any other discographer. These  
> complete discographies are monumental undertakings and my  
> experience is that record-keeping at most or all record companies  
> is not what you'd call archival ISO certified quality!
>
> One more thing. I would say the ONLY logical format for ANY  
> discography these days is a database, and hopefully a standard  
> format that can be easily searched, printed and distributed. So  
> then you get into what's a viable business model, and in that is  
> the rub. I'm wondering if discography should go in the class of  
> basic medical research or public artwork, that it's supported by  
> grants and/or public arts/culture funding.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel RUPPLI"  
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
>
>
> I do not think that Greenwood has anymore interest in publishing
> discographies, nor is interested in producing CD-ROMs. The idea of
> transferring that Mercury work to CD-ROM is a good one,of course ,as
> it seems the way to go nowadays. As for myself, I have stockpiled
> large amounts of details on many Mercury artists, which outdate the
> printed work, and a new publication,in my opinion, should be an
> updated version. That requires a great amount of work, which I am
> unable to do at this time: I am involved in other projects, like a
> forthcoming version of Atlantic (updated) on CD-ROM, in the vein of
> what I made on Capitol,ABC and Blue Note labels in the past years.
> If some dedicated person appears be ready to go with updating
> Mercury, that would be a true challenge, and I would assist him (her)
> with my files.
> Anyone interested??
> Michel
> -------
> Le 8 oct. 09 à 18:06, Thomas Stern a écrit :
>
>>
>> Hello Michel,
>>    Our messages crossed -  Thanks for this information!
>>    I wonder if anyone at Greenwood is thinking about making the   
>> Discography
>> series available
>> on CD-ROM?  I, like many older collectors no longer can afford  
>> the  price of
>> the print editions
>> of discographies.  The production costs for ROM are significantly   
>> lower, and
>> would make the work
>> available, if the cost savings are passed on.  If search   
>> capabilities are
>> included, the ROM
>> format is significantly better for searching.
>>    Of course, I'd like to see a freely available online national   
>> discography
>> with everything,
>> but until that happens it is nice to see resources like 78discography
>> growing.
>>    Best wishes, Thomas.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Michel RUPPLI
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Mercury 25073 source/date/performer?
>>
>>
>> Yes,MG25073 wa a reissue of songs previously issued on 78 rpm in a 3
>> record set.
>> Here are details I mentioned in my Mercury Discoraphy (Grenwood  
>> Press,
>> 1995):
>>
>> NEW SONGS OF PALESTINE (SONGS OF ISRAEL):
>>
>>               We have the strength/       Merc.1068(alb.A-35)
>>                Israel's  heroes                -        -
>>               Song of the signal man           -        -
>>               Song of faith               Merc.1069     -
>>               Song of the Jewish partisans     -        -
>>               Song of the Emek            Merc.1070     -
>>               This way                         -        -
>>
>> All titles also issued on Merc.MG25073.
>>
>> Michel Ruppli
>> -------
>>
>> Le 8 oct. 09 à 16:29, Thomas Stern a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know if the LP listed below
>>> originated from a 78rpm album?
>>> Who are the performers?
>>> Date?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Best wishes, Thomas.
>>>
>>> Mercury MG 25073           10"-LP
>>> Songs of Israel
>>> A1. We Have the Strength-Israel's Heroes
>>> A2. Song of the Signal Man
>>> A3. Song of Faith
>>> B1. Song of the Jewish Partisans
>>> B2. Song of the Emek
>>> B3. This Way
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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