Bonjour Michel:
Do you recall, from your discography work, if any other jazz labels did these slow-speed records?
Any idea why Prestige? Also, did anyone except Van Gelder master these things? I have to dig out
that old article, when I get a chance, but as I recall it, Prestige was marketing these records as a
discounted music medium (ie twice the tunes for the same price as an LP), not as a specialized thing
for a specialized jukebox.
Did this ever catch on with spoken-word labels? It seems that would be the natural market for this
medium -- two hours on one 12" record, the ability to fit a whole play or short book into a 2-LP
gatefold instead of a box. Also reissues of mono opera recordings?
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel RUPPLI" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 16 2/3 Prestige
Remember that my Prestige discography (Greenwood Press - 1980) listed
the Prestige 16 2/3 LPs series, including:
3 Miles DAVIS (contents identical to Albums PRLP 7109 + PRLP7150)
5 George Walington/Phhil Woods (same contents aa New Jazz albums NJLP
8207 + NJLP 8304)
No info available on 7 and 8 when I researched that series in early 70s.
Michel Ruppli
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Le 3 oct. 09 à 21:22, Michael Biel a écrit :
>
> Tom Fine wrote:
>> I read an article about 16 2/3 RPM LPs, I think in an old High Fidelity or HiFi Review. It was a
>> short fad, right? I think Prestige and some other jazz labels reissued very old mono titles in
>> discounted double-length records. If I recall the article correctly, Rudy Van Gelder was the guy
>> who cut those records, and he talked about how it was somewhat of a challenge but do-able. The
>> reviewer agreed that old mono jazz could successfully be reissued in that medium.
>>
>> Anyone know how long that fad lasted and how many records were issued in that format?
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
> I hesitate to change the subject line because apparently my previous shorter answer to this was
> not seen in another subject head. In 1958 Vox issued 8 and Prestige issued 6 (?) 12-inch 16 2/3
> XLPs that were all mastered by Rudy Van Gelder. I have three of the Vox, and I have never seen
> any others anywhere except these three in the warehouse of the record distributor where I worked
> in 1966 and gave them to me as unsalable. "The Long Player" and "Jazz and Pops" catalogs listed
> them in a special section for about a year, and I suppose this means that Sam Goody's was trying
> to sell them! If I had more time I'd check when they entered and left the catalog, but this is
> wha16t 1was there in the 2nd half of 1958.
> Prestige
> 1 Concorde -- Modern Jazz Quar, Milt Jackson Trio
> 2 Let's Get Away From It All -- Billy Taylor 4 Three Trombones -- Jay Jay Johnson, Kai
> Winding, Bennie Green
> 5 Modern Jazz Survey -- NY Jazz
> 6 Modern Jazz Survey -- Baritones & French Horns
> 8 Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants
> I have no idea what happened to 3 or 7. 5 & 6 didn't appear until the Oct 58 catalog.
>
> Vox
> VXL-1 Tchaikovsky Piano Con 1, Romeo & Julie, Sym 6
> VXL-2 Beethoven Emperor and D Maj Violin Cons, Corioian & Leonore Overs
> VXL-3 L'Arfesienne 1&2, Polovetsian, Scheherazade, Nutcracker S.
> VXL-4 Geo Feyer -- Round the World, Round the Clock
> VXL-5 Syms: Beethoven 5, Dvorak 5, Prokofiev 1, Schubert 8
> VXL-6 Piano Cons: Grieg, Liszt 1, Rach 2, Schumann
> VXL-7 Dance Party -- Barreto, Monese, Sandauer
> VXL-8 Violin Cons: Tsch, Paganini 1, Mendelssohn, Bruch 1
>
> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Nelson" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>>
>>
>> The Seebug juke box company made a "library" unit that played 12" lps. The unit was designed to
>> play 33s or 16 2/3 rpm music discs.
>> 16rpm 12" discs were released by Decca records, mostly bacground music type.
>> dnw
>>
>> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:49 PM
>>> Hi Larry:
>>>
>>> That sounds like a cool toy! Wow, that must have been a
>>> 70's thing, the golden age of albums. When you sat down and
>>> listened to an album one side at a time. We're back to the
>>> pre-album days again in popular music, one song at a time.
>>>
>>> Music servers are slowly becoming a mainstream component.
>>> There will be a day when someone combines something like
>>> that into a genuine jukebox interface and they'll have
>>> themselves a nice niche product. There are already plenty of
>>> virtual jukebox interfaces, but I'm talking about the real
>>> thing, including the neon lighting and the pushbuttons.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry S Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Living Presence promo copies
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>> Do you know about LP jukeboxes? Not the kind
>>> that plays 7-inch 33-1/3 discs, but the type that plays
>>> full-sized 12-inch LPs. I've encountered only a
>>> couple, one in a long-gone restaurant near the Mizzou campus
>>> called the Agora House. Not only were the enchiladas
>>> good, for, I believe, a quarter, I could hear an entire side
>>> of 'The Doors" or "Surrealistic Pillow." Probably not
>>> the sort of thing you'd want to put your shaded dogs on, but
>>> if you had a Dynaflex re-issue of something, who
>>> cares? By the way, I think it had a Shure cartridge.
>>>
>>> Larry Miller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For a long time, I had dreams of a classic 45-singles
>>> jukebox, but then when I started shopping for
>>> a well-restored one, it turned out they mostly sound like
>>> crap due to both mid-grade to low-grade
>>> phono pickups and also the fact that most singles sound
>>> like crap from Play One. So net-net, I
>>> decided that they're great for noisy bars and diners but
>>> not so much for focused listening at home.
>>> I admit still being thrilled when I come upon one that
>>> still works in a bar or diner. The first
>>> thing I do is feed it dollars so I can sample its contents.
>>> Nowadays, if you find it working, it's
>>> usually on its last legs and the records are circa early
>>> 1990's or earlier. No interest in or use
>>> for CD jukeboxes; I remember when those first came out,
>>> higher prices per play and less fun to use.
>>> Plus much less frequent switch-ins of music, at least in
>>> the upstate NY market, so the whole purpose
>>> of a jukebox was being defeated. It went from a
>>> music-discovery machine to an oldies and stale hits
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>
>>
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