Alas, no drunken insights from my end. Just a hypothesis --but it
seems a solid business principle...
Marcos Sueiro Bal
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 20:09, Tom Fine wrote:
> Wow, that's bleak! But it might be true.
> Marcos, do you know something we don't, from your vantage point at
> a top mastering house? Did a record company weenie spill the beans
> in a booze-soaked mope at the holiday party?? ;)
> -- Tom Fine
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The Loudness Wars - NPR story
>> Here is a cynical view of the matter:
>> I'd submit that there is no financial incentive to avoid dynamic
>> over- compression; in fact, it may help business, at least in the
>> short- term. To wit: if you purchase a fatiguing CD or MP3, your
>> brain may be soon telling you that you are essentially
>> unsatisfied, and may therefore go out and buy another piece of
>> music. In other words: it is not in the interest of record
>> companies to have product that consumers listen to again and
>> again; they would rather have you purchase new product
>> constantly. I compare this to the food industry's over-salty,
>> over-sweet offerings. At first your taste-buds are over-excited,
>> but soon thereafter you are hungry again and need more food. It
>> has worked great as a business model for fast food chains,
>> although in that market the tide appears to be turning.
>> Marcos Sueiro Bal
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>> On Jan 2, 2010, at 13:51, Tom Fine wrote:
>>> Hi Steve:
>>> THANKS for posting this link. I totally agree with Bob Ludwig
>>> that listener fatigue from this toothpasted garbage is a factor
>>> in declining music sales. This "make it louder" is a plague.
>>> You'd think that the higher-ups at the record companies would
>>> realize by now that their tin-eared underlings who lean on
>>> mastering engineers are WRONG and this stuff sounds TERRIBLE
>>> both in earbuds and especially over highly-process FM radio (see
>>> Bob Orban's white paper on why toothpaste-mastered material then
>>> processed by an Orban unit results in unlistenable garbage).
>>> The discussion of MP3 lossy encoding is interesting, too. The U-
>>> MN guy is just wrong about lossy being "indistinguishable," even
>>> at bitrates like 320kbps. I would submit that ANYONE with good
>>> hearing and decent playback equipment will be able to reliably
>>> tell the difference between un-lossy source and MP3 lossy encoding.
>>> All in all, these technologies (digital toothpasting and a
>>> profusion of lossy formats) have been a plague on recorded
>>> music. Fidelity does matter with almost all forms of music. It's
>>> an insult to the artists to consume their work in a junk format
>>> when a full- fidelity format is readily available.
>>> Of course many other factors have led to the implosion of the
>>> music business, but I strongly believe that the degradation of
>>> typical fidelity available to the consumer has helped the
>>> process along.
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ramm" <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:37 PM
>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] The Loudness Wars - NPR story
>>>> Thought others would enjoy hearing/reading.
>>>> Steve Ramm