And the cataloguer does not get the audio out, in front of them, and can
make subjective calls about the content.  Cataloguers definitely intensive
training on what all symbols, numbers, ID's etc require.  They also need to
actually see the item and have a respect and understanding of what the sound
archivist actually does to preserve the audio and its items/tracks contained
therein.  Not only for discs but analogue tape aswell.

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> Which is why I made my comment about catalogers, not discographers.  A
> cataloger for a library or archive is listing a record that the organization
> actually has, and the cataloger usually will have right there in front of
> them.  Listing title and artist is just not good enough, but all too often
> that is what we get.  But too many catalogers don't have the training or
> skills to do much more.
> Mike Biel   [log in to unmask]
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 11:30:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Billie Holiday on Conqueror Matrix number follow
>> up
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>> Dan Nelson wrote:
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>>> The matrix number for Billie Holiday @6 oclock 22921 @ 12 oclock 1-1.
>>>> The flip side is Roger Pryor and his orch, "Now it can be told".
>>>> matrix LA1646b #6 @ 1 oclock position.      dnw
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>> From Steven C. Barr
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>>> And herewith from the "Abrams Files" (BH side only):
>>> BILLIE HOLIDAY & HER ORCH    YOU GO TO MY HEAD 22921-1 > VO4126*  -
>>>  CQ9097    05/11/38  -
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>> In order to get proper information on a record without having to go back
>> and forth and back and forth is to include the catalog AND matrix number in
>> the *first* inquiry.  The 22921 is an ARC Vocalion/Columbia New York number
>> which enabled Steve Barr to locate the recording.  The 1-1 is the take
>> number followed by the stamper number.  Sometimes there is a letter in the
>> middle like 1-C- 5 which would be take one, metal mother 3 and stamper 5
>> from that mother.  LA1646b is a Burnswick-style ARC Los Angeles matrix with
>> the b indicating the second take.  The 6 is probably a stamper number. Title
>> and artist is rarely enough to properly identify a recording, and I wish
>> more catalogers would realize it.  It is why we have to look at the record,
>> not just hear it, if your catalog listing doesn't give enough data. Mike
>> Biel  [log in to unmask]
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>>> From: "Thornton Hagert" <[log in to unmask]>
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>>>>> This Billie Holiday Conqueror would seem to be a release of  the 1938
>>>>>  Voc/Ok 4126 recording,
>>>>>            In addition to country (Acuff etc,) the Conqueror 9000
>>>>> series  included Guy Lombardo,
>>>>> Sammy Kaye, Slim and Slam, Chick Bullock, most common;y only one side
>>>>> of the major issue.
>>>>>              In one case  - Conqueror c 9179, "Hold Tight!", Sidney
>>>>> Bechet  a h O,
>>>>> the label states - at 9 o'clock  "Distributed in the U.S. A.  by
>>>>> Brunswick Record Corp."  and at 3
>>>>> p'clock, " \Produced by Master  Records, Inc." The reverse "You're A
>>>>> Sweet Little Headache" by Dick Barrie a h O, does not have such information
>>>>> - nor have I noticed it  elsewhere.
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>>>> From: Steven C. Barr <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> Master Records was set up by <forget> who was also Duke Ellindton's
>>>> management. It offered the Master and Variety labels, but
>>>> only for a few months in the beginning of the project; thereafter, the
>>>> recordings appeared on Brunswick (with "m" prefixed catalog
>>>> numbers)...or on
>>>> Vocalion, with "v" prefixed catalog numbers. The whole operation had
>>>> faded
>>>> away by 1941!  Steven C. Barr
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