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Re: Victor and Columbia New Records brochures 1938-1942/Classical

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Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:35:25 -0700

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Roger
What,if anything,was the deal with Kapp ad Unicorn (Ernst Levy)?

Roger







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From: Michel RUPPLI <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:51:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Victor and Columbia New Records brochures
1938-1942/Classical

Re my Decca books,I have not got any access to Decca original ledgers and based
my work on available listings and on MCA Catalogue, which was a mine but was
not complete nor free of errors.
I confess my greatest error is the confusion I made between the two KAPP
brothers!!! I had not digged into the KAPP label history at that time....
I deliberately left some parts of foreign material aside, as I was not sure they
had been issued on records produced by US Decca. This includes some 20,000
records and ethnic material: information I had on those series was limited to a
few artists and too far from completion for being valuably listed.
I have not detected custom matrix numbers used by Decca for Commodore or
Keynote label in the early 40s (mx numbers similar to the Decca ones on those
labels do not fit the Decca mx. sequence). By the way, my goal was not to list
all labels having been produced by Decca at one time or the other.
Well, none is perfect and I have stockpiled huge lists of additions/corrections
to the books!!
Michel Ruppli
--------
Le 15 août 10 à 04:35, Michael Biel a écrit :

>
> On 8/14/2010 9:29 PM, Steven C. Barr wrote:
>> From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Michael Biel wrote:
>>> >> Decca has been thoroughly documented by Michel Ruppli in his published
>>> >> discography set, although I do recall there being one sector of
>>> classical
>>> >> releases of imported masters that I wasn't able to find.
>>> On 8/14/2010 3:29 AM, Michel RUPPLI wrote:
>>>> Michael has well reported on going work on Columbia and Victor labels, as well
>>>>as my past work on Decca label***
>>>> *** Mike: all Decca imports were included in my Decca Discography - Vol. 5
>>>>pages 631-736.
>>>
>> Point beingt that the Decca(US) ledgers still exist (I'm not sure in their
>> entirety?!).
>
> Unless they were caught up in the Universal Studios warehouse fire. Nobody is
>telling us
>
>> And, yes, Decca(US) DID make arrangements (or use pre-
>> 1946 matrices?!) to create a series intended to compete with Victor's
>> "Red Seal" series(ses) and its Columbia equivalent...?!
>>
>> There WERE 20***/25*** Deccas, which drew from the above series;
>> these series ended c.1935-36, when Decca realized there was more
>> money to be made in non-classical trcordings...! Steven C. Barr
>>
>>
>
> Yes I would assume that a series that you say ended in 1935-36 did use
>"pre-1946 matrices". And these were the series which Lennick and I discuss
>later on in this posting. We know they exist, we are wondering if they are
>included somewhere in the book that we hadn't spotted.
>
> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>>> Does it include issues in catalog number series 20000 and 25000? This came up
>>>in March on the 78-L because I only have your volume 6 -- the numerical catalog
>>>number index -- while David Lennick has the whole set. He brought this up, I
>>>assume while referring to Vol 5. He mentions a 10-inch 20000 and 12-inch 25000
>>>Decca Odeon-Parlophone series which also used some English Decca masters.
>>>Volume 6 shows these numbers only being reused for a short-lived Plays series
>>>(Death of a Salesman and The Council) and a popular Special Series
>>>respectively. The ones he was talking about were:
>>>
>>>>>>> ...cheap red label classical and some Ethnic. "Sounds of
>>>>>>> the Orient" (exact title?) was in that series. Handel's Concerti Grossi
>>>>nos.
>>>>>>> 1-3 conducted by Boyd Neel were on 25655/67, Walton's Symphony was on
>>>>>>25600/5,
>>>>>>> a couple of Betove's records were in the 20000s. No albums provided.
>>>>Several
>>>>>>> of these and the 10-inch 20000 series were still in the 1943 catalog.
>>>
>>> I replied:
>>>>>> The 1941 POPULAR catalog shows the 20000 and
>>>>>> 25000 series in the price list on the inside front cover but doesn't
>>>>>> list them in the catalog, along with most of the ethnic series such as
>>>>>> Irish, Mexican, Scotch, Race, West Indian, and Hill Billy. Except for a
>>>>>> few of these that are numbered in the regular popular series -- mostly
>>>>>> for inclusion in an album -- those are in separate catalogs.
>>>
>>> I also mentioned several other numerical series numbers which had been reused
>>>and both are included in your book, such as the two K- children's series and the
>>>two 29000 series.
>>>
>>> Lennick also noted:
>>>
>>>>>>> Ruppli also didn't list any of the Decca custom matrix numbers
>>>>>>> used for Commodore, Keynote and private labels in the early 40s
>>>>>>> ..maddening, since he did list some that were used in the 30s
>>>>>>> for Liberty Music Shops.
>>>
>>> While we are at it, I found a few items in the preface to Vol 6 that need
>>>correction:
>>>
>>>> "After the war, a new peak in activity occurred. Decca purchased
>>>> material from the Signature lanel and started reissuing vintage material
>>>> from Brunswick, using a revised Brunswick logo."
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of the date of Signature material, but the Brunswick series began
>>>during the 1942 strike,in response to the Columbia reissues Avakian was doing.
>>>Didn't Milt Gabler do these? You then mention Coral and Vocalion as being
>>>started at the same time (after the war) but since Brunswick reissues had
>>>started in 1942, this is wrong. Besides. these labels came about quite a bit
>>>after the war, closer to 1950.
>>>
>>> But the biggest error is this:
>>> "In the meantime, Jack Kapp, who had headed the label since the
>>> beginning, resigned to form his own company and produce recordings under
>>> the Kapp label (not included in this set)."
>>>
>>> Jack Kapp DIED suddenly on March 28, 1949 at the age of 48. His brother DAVE
>>>Kapp was the one who resigned a few years later and formed Kapp Records in 1954.
>>>
>>> Relative small, but nagging problems, is such a great work!
>>>
>>> Mike [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>
>>
>




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