On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:21:06 -0500, Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote
> The suggestion, then, is that 21, 22, 23, 24 respectively mean "first
> season", "second season", "third season", "fourth season", where
> season is not defined, other than to say something like "it may
> correspond to winter/spring/summer/fall (or
> spring/summer/fall/winter) in the north, or
> summer/fall/winter/spring (or fall/winter/spring/summer) in the
> south, or it may correspond to quarters".
With quarters we need to distinguish between calendar and fiscal. Fiscal, in
turn, can start counting nearly anytime--- although in the US 1 April is often
the start to line up with the tax year.
Fiscal is, I think, important given the publication of business data and
> In which case we do not need to accommodate a geographic-location
> Is that your suggestion, Ed?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of the Developing Date/Time Standards
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edward C. Zimmermann
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:04 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [DATETIME] season
> > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:30:11 -0500, Denenberg, Ray wrote
> > > The main issue here is maintaining sortability, so we have to choose
> > > the delimiting characters carefully (which I haven't done yet).
> > How would I sort Summer in Europe?
> > We have, for example, 1st of May. 1st of June and 21th June all as
> > starting dates.. To maintain sort, I'd imagine, one must assign country
> > names on the basis of their starting dates for Summer?
> > Personally, I think we'd be better off not talking about Summer etc.
> > but seasons in the calendar year and their types: meterological,
> > astronomical and perhaps either a misc case or adjustment. This would
> > define the start and end points.
> > So instead of using names such as Summer (and the suggested coding is
> > just
> > that) I'd simply label the seasons 21,22,23,24 BUT use them as the
> > count in the calendar year. 21 would not always be Spring but it would
> > always be the first season of the calendar year--- which coincides with
> > Spring in the Northern Hemisphere. In the South then 21 would be Fall.
> > The advantage would be that 2000-21-1 (for year 2000, 1st meterological
> > season) in Australia could be compared in a chronological sort with
> > 2000-21-1 in Denmark.
> > The problem, of course, would be 24 as it crosses the boundary and a
> > date such as (in the North) Winter 2011 might be the same as Winter
> > 2010---- similarly Summer in the South. I see no solution other than
> > perhaps the requirement that last of a given year must the preceding
> > season of the year (Autumn in the US) or be corrected (year-1).
> > In North American
> > Spring 2010
> > Summer 2010
> > Autumn 2010
> > Winter 2011 -> Winter 2010/2011
> > Spring 2011
> > Not knowing the date of receipt of journals one can't fix these.. but
> > just accept that they might not always be accurate (can't distinguish a
> > Winter 2010 publication between Winter 2009/2010 and Winter 2010/2011)
> > Edward C. Zimmermann, NONMONOTONIC LAB
> > Basis Systeme netzwerk, Munich Ges. des buergerl. Rechts Office Leo
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> > Federal Republic of Germany
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Edward C. Zimmermann, NONMONOTONIC LAB
Basis Systeme netzwerk, Munich Ges. des buergerl. Rechts
Office Leo (R&D):
Leopoldstrasse 53-55, D-80802 Munich,
Federal Republic of Germany