I have to agree with M Biel...... im hired to provide "sound coverage" for an 
event and in my book that includes a sub feed to what ever the event sponsor 
needs/wants.
Hes paying my fee so Ill kiss his xxx  and hell have me at the top of his list 
for the next event.
As to the mini-plug mic in.......  i found easy solution. I made up an XLR 
single ended cord about 10' long with male RCA on the opposite end. I have  3 
RCA/RCA (10K imp) loss pad of 20, 40, 60 db. Another 10' cord RCA to mini male. 
Bring on your camera/cd recorder  what ever and youll get a feed as good as the 
audience and im a genious in the sponsors eyes.
ca ching  ca ching $$$$     ohh yah 
dnelson 



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 8:22:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] In the category of if you want it done right, do it 
yourself ...

On 12/19/2010 4:21 PM, Lou Judson wrote:
> As a live sound mixer who is often called pon to provide a sound feed to 
>performers' cameras, any cmera with no LINE level input is a toy to me. I refuse 
>to carry the extra gear it would take to send mic level to a video - if they 
>don't bring professional gear just use your own mic!

Almost every piece of pro mixing equipment I have used in the past 50 years had 
a mic level out.  That's usually a sign of it being a pro mixer.   If a camera 
only has a line level in, it is the cameraman who would need the extra gear to 
preamp a mic up to line level.  That's the problem with most stand-alone video 
recorders -- they only have line ins.

> 
> A mic level input on a minijack is a poor source to use in my opinion.

Granted, but we are talking about affordability and portability -- the latter 
becoming more and more important with baggage restrictions.  If we are talking 
about reference recordings, not commercial recordings, there is no need to go 
overboard, but at least the attempt to get a good sound source is commendable.  
The example you give of a two camera shoot is already beyond the simple need for 
a reference recording at conferences.

> But then, I have no desire to see talking heads at a conference anywa, even 
>less poerpoint, all I need is a good speaker talking intelligently! 
>

Why are you interested in a good speaker talking intelligently if you are not 
interested in talking heads at a conference?????


> But that is taste maybe.

If you are hired to do a job, I don't give a diddlydamn for what your taste is, 
only your agreeability with those you are working for.

Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]