On 29/12/2010, Tom Fine wrote:
> I have the Gould "Goldberg Variations" SACD and the original LP. When
> I first got the SACD, I did a very careful side-by-side listening
> comparison. The computer did pick up almost everything you can
> quantify and reproduce about Gould's playing, it was uncanny. So then
> the question is, do you want to hear that same performance,
> re-created, on a different piano in a different room at a different
> time, totally different circumstances. It's strange when you think
> about it because you've removed the human element and
> re-contextualized it, yet the "performance" is essentially the same.
> That's not natural! But, are recordings of piano rolls any more
> natural? So net-net, I'm not sure this is a really big "revolutionary
> new reality thing," it's more a major improvement on the same idea
> behind piano rolls. But in the end, which one is "better" to listen
> to? For me it depends if I want to be "in the room" with Gould as he
> cranked out the Variations or if I want to hear Gould himself actually
> cranking them out in a much lower-fi recording.
A real pianist would adjust his playing to suit the piano and the room
I agree that this is a way to extract a piano roll from a recording.
> In the macro scheme of things, this is along the lines of where
> computers are going in other areas of life. The military complex has
> for years been working on "robot army" warfare, where there are no
> human bodies in front of bullets on the front lines (see "The
> Terminator" for where that will end up!). Advanced manufacturing has
> been largely human-free for a long time. You look at a cheap/plentiful
> Wii device and you can see where "sports" are headed -- either a
> virtual "arena" spread across the whole Internet or stadiums where
> humans watch robots compete. The same companies working on the Robot
> Army are working on robot medicine (why worry about a shakey-handed
> surgeon, Robot Doc never is too hung over to operate). Basically,
> things are already in motion where computer DO as well as "think,"
> reducing most humans to sedentary spectators. ----- Original Message
> ----- From: "Jeff Carroll" <[log in to unmask]> To:
> <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:28
> PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Thoughtful
>> Wouldn't a more appropriate term be 'modeling'?
>> Also, I could hear enough of the piano in the Jerry Lee Lewis
>> section. The original mix, as
>> muddy as it is, has a much better vibe. Perhaps this segment is for
>> demonstration /educational
>> purposes, but the modeling doesn't enhance the performance - quite
>> the opposite actually.
>> Jeff Carroll, Mastering Engineer
>> Bluefield Mastering Inc. - Raleigh, NC USA
>> Phone 919.859.0102
>> On Dec 29, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Mark Durenberger wrote:
>> I don't recall seeing this under discussion...might be of interest.
>> Mark Durenberger
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