Are you looking for labels where the corporate name changes but the catalog
numbers remain the same and where series are continued?
I've been using a generic name which is chosen from such related groups,
tilted toward current usage; i.e., Victor for everything from ERJ through
RCA (on 78s.
Similarly, GrCo for Gramophone Company. This includes G&T, HMV and
Electrola as well as Zonophone, since the matrix series are often related. I
keep Parlophone separate as it seems to have operated independently,
catalog-wise, when brought under the GrCo banner.
The same for DGG, which includes Opera Disc as well as Polydor and
You will then need a separate field to deal with the individual label names.
This will have to be a relational field as there are time when more than one
label name appears in a catalog, especially when labels consolidated and
when the catalogs are published by distributors rather than the company.
American labels in their English manifestations were published in the 1940s
and 1950s by EMI.
One underlying issue is tracking GrCo products through the Opera Disc line.
Some are pre-DGG separation and carry GrCo numbers as well as new ones that
integrate with DGG series.
The Russian matter needs very careful structuring as well. Not only were
changes made post-Revolution but counterfiting was a significant problem as
This is also record catalog issue. It's essential that the company that
created the recording be indentified as part of the matrix number.
More on all this if requested.
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Consolidation and expansion (and inclusion) of label
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Hi. Must be Friday fever making my messages less coherent than usual.
What I am requesting, from anyone who feels willing to contribute, would be
mostly the list of labels. I.e. is there anything important missing (there
will be, as - as said - the list is built from items catalogued so far but
obviously one can build in ready categories i.e. Sony Music).
But the most important thing is any thoughts about two or more label entries
that can be merged into one, due to historical merger where it does not
conflict with the needs of collectors and researchers, i.e. the Victor vs
RCA Victor argument.
Please don't worry about the Lab: etc texts and the shortcuts used. They are
just for internal use (I copied part of a much larger list after removing
non label items, that will also be used for indexing. So it is for example
"merge victor and rca victor" or "add label George Music" or did you mean
"George Music Entertainment" rather than "George Musik Entertainment" ?
Hope that is clear. Obviously we are pulling together a number of records
with reduced resources to try and get something good out.
The end use is then a means for a user to browse, i.e. browse to
"discographies / victor" which might have the "victor, victor talking
machine, etc" brochures, discographies, catalogues etc but keeping maybe
"RCA Victor" separate due to it being a totally different beat.
Hopefully that is a bit clearer. Doesn't feel it, but it is time to stop for
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On 14 jan 2011, at 15.36, George Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad,
> Hi Darren,
> I am not entirely sure what you expect from us. Is it additional
> labels that you might want to distinguish, is it the format LAB-,
> which to me seems to take up more space than needed.
> Among labels, I would personally like to be able to distinguish among
> the various national versions of HMV, for instance Voix de son Maître
> (VdM), Voce del Padrone (VdP), Husbondens Röst (HuR), and similar,
> like Gramola, Electrola. I do not know Arkiv Produktion, but if it is
> Deutsche Grammophon, it would be Archiv, and I would propose DGA.
> But my best advice is to obtain various important dealers' lists and
> see what they use, and actually adhere to that - for simplicity and
> Hopefully you can do that before your system solidifies.
> I might have a host of other questions, but better knowledge of your
> needs would help me reduce the number.
> Kind regards,
>> Hi all.
>> As part of Music Library Finland's moves to get its collections
>> catalogued fully and online, we are at an interim stage where some
>> would be appreciated.
>> We are at the stage of sorting out the books and printed materials
>> collection first, with the aim to have a broad range of categories
>> for items that can be browsed, as well as individual categories as
>> relevant. I.e. a HMV catalogue could appear both under "catalogues"
>> and "HMV specific" file but a discography of HMV would be filed under
>> "discography" and "HMV specific" file. For example HMV would include
>> Gramophone Co. items and later on we could clarify in the index such
>> entries, but for example should Aeolian be combined with Vocalion
>> even though there can be Aerolian music rolls and catalogues as well as
>> Many labels have consolidated and changed names, yet it is perhaps
>> desirable for collectors and researchers to keep some separate (i.e.
>> Victor vs RCA Victor and modern incarnations) but maybe less critical for
>> It is this which is the key area we'd appreciate some insight.
>> The following list is by no means complete (there will be missing
>> labels, that might just be filed under catalogues or discographies)
>> as it is based on the information entered so far - and there is a lot
>> more stuff to add - but are there any recommended expansions,
>> contractions or amendments you could kindly suggest?
>> We cannot claim to be experts on everything (anything?) and there can
>> be differing views, but some views from others "less close to the
>> project" and who may use the information could be invaluable.
>> LAB-AEO Label: Aeolian
>> LAB-ALL Label: Allegro
>> LAB-AMI Label: Amity
>> LAB-ANG Label: Angel
>> LAB-ANK Label: Anker
>> LAB-APL Label: Apple
>> LAB-ARC Label: ARC/American Record Company
>> LAB-ARK Label: Arkiv Produktion
>> LAB-ATC Label: Atco
>> LAB-ATL Label: Atlantic
>> LAB-BBC Label: BBC
>> LAB-BEL Label: Beltona
>> LAB-BLU Label: Bluebird
>> LAB-BRO Label: Broadcast
>> LAB-BRU Label: Brunswick
> [remainder cut by George, see orignial post]