George, do you have a copy of Gramophone magazine's anniversary CD, where they recorded the old
stuff to digital by playing it out a massive horn-acoustic player? It was kinda quaint, I think
their point is that this is how our editors heard this music back in the days when it was made.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Brock-Nannestad" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Technics apparently really has discontinued their turntables
> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
> turntables vs. historic machines:
> I do use a portable wind-up HMV gramophone for demo purposes and to prove the
> fabulous quality you can get from records made for them (excepting organ
> records), due to the scientific approach by Maxfield and Harrison.
> But I confess that for listening (and analytical listening) I am happy to use
> the ELP Laser Turntable. I have a fair number of vinyl pressings of 78s, and
> I rejoice every time that there is absolutely no wear. And most shellacs also
> play well. I do not have to change stylus, I do not have to replace worn
> stylii, and the clicks are easily tamed, because they are much cleaner than
> what most, even moving coil pickups will provide. I can adjust the depth of
> tracing during replay, and I can adjust the rpm. I can repeat a groove
> endlessly, with just a delimiting click once per cycle. Ah, bliss!!
> I had a stupid dealer in antique records send me a rare record, and he must
> have been drunk while packing the record, because the pack was designed to
> put uneven stress on the record. He instantly paid me back everything,
> including shipping, but like Kodak, there was no replacement for content. I
> can easily fit the shards on the ELP turntable, let it run and reproduce the
> content for me, albeit with clicks that need more work to clean up. But my
> old-time painstaking repair of records is now of the past.
> However, we have not solved the problem with peeling lacquer records.
> Best wishes,
>> I've also owned antiques machines in the past and enjoyed hearing a 78
>> as might have been heard in its day, but I must argue that one doesn't
>> hear it with the same ears as someone who lived in that day. A machine
>> such as an Edison player was probably regarded as what we now call
>> "state of the art" or "high tech". A mind blowing experience. To us it
>> is an antique and a curiosity, a charming and quaint item. hopefully
>> appreciated for its role in the history of home music. To a contemporary
>> listener, it may have been regarded as the ultimate home listening
>> experience, second only to live music.
>> Perhaps the way to understand a little about how they must have felt in
>> that day by comparing it to the first time you saw a 60" HD screen
>> playing a blu-ray disc movie. You can't help but be blown away.
>> joe salerno
>> On 1/4/2011 8:36 AM, David Breneman wrote:
>> > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Tom Fine<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> That said, I bet I'm not the only one who buys cheap and
>> >> common but musically-enjoyable 78's specifically to play on
>> >> the Victrola. They are never intended for transfer or
>> >> preservation, they are intended to allow me to enjoy my
>> >> antique Victrola. I'm sure others do similar things for
>> >> their cylinder players and Diamond Disc players.
>> > Guilty as charged. There's something to be said for the
>> > "time machine" aspect of seeing and hearing a record played
>> > as a person would have experienced it "back in the day."
>> > An old machine puts on a good show; an mp3 doesn't.