From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad


Hello Milan,

it is absolutely true that the ELP needs a groove that has been cut with a
stylus that has at least some straight part in it. Otherwise there is no
useful reflection of the light beam. This means that Pathé Vertical or Edison
Diamond Disc cannot be reproduced, because their grooves have a close to
circular cross section. But for instance a vertical cut broadcast record (not
that I have any to try!), which is cut by a V-shaped stylus would be
reproducible, although there could be some difficulties, because these
records have very little land between grooves, if any.

Kind regards,


George




> Dear George,
>
> of course! I also think that ELP is irreplaceable when transferring cracked
> media into pieces, and there is no further damage to the record.
> I've also heard by some people that ELP is not suitable for vertically cut
> records and records with other than black surface. Ever tried it on i.e.
> Pathe Verticals?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Brock-Nannestad" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Technics apparently really has discontinued their
> turntables
>
>
> > From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
> >
> >
> > Hello again,
> >
> > Milan wrote about less clicks etc from a standard Shure needle. I do not
> > doubt it; the ELP does seem to provide more clicks. However, these are
> > "raw"
> > in the best sense of the word, they do no damage by exciting the stylus
> > suspension and creating a distorted click waveform. This is why ELP has
> > had
> > such success by offering what is essentially a slimmed-down model of a
> > CEDAR
> > de-clicker.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> > George
> >
> > P.S. I forgot to say that scratching is not possible on the ELP -
> > everything
> > is enclosed.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> regarding this subject and especially ELP machines, it is matter of (so
> >> much
> >> expensive) trial and decision of transfer strategy. One friend of mine
> in
> >> Bulgaria who owns the ELP unit (as well as "classical" turntable) put
> >> some
> >> RAW transfers of the very same ordinary, slightly worn 78 rpm record
> >> transferred by
> >> both machines.
> >>
> >> It is interesting that ordinary setup (he used "standard" Shure needle)
> >> produced result with less clicks and craquelures.
> >>
> >> So here are those samples, anyone judge for himself:
> >>
> >> http://files.mail.ru/HYQ8W2
> >>
> >> (wave files, compressed by zip archiver)
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Milan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "George Brock-Nannestad" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:57 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Technics apparently really has discontinued
> their
> >> turntables
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > turntables vs. historic machines:
> >> >
> >> > I do use a portable wind-up HMV gramophone for demo purposes and to
> >> prove
> >> > the
> >> > fabulous quality you can get from records made for them (excepting
> >> > organ
> >> > records), due to the scientific approach by Maxfield and Harrison.
> >> >
> >> > But I confess that for listening (and analytical listening) I am
> happy
> >> to
> >> > use
> >> > the ELP Laser Turntable. I have a fair number of vinyl pressings of
> >> > 78s,
> >> > and
> >> > I rejoice every time that there is absolutely no wear. And most
> >> > shellacs
> >> > also
> >> > play well. I do not have to change stylus, I do not have to replace
> >> > worn
> >> > stylii, and the clicks are easily tamed, because they are much
> cleaner
> >> > than
> >> > what most, even moving coil pickups will provide. I can adjust the
> >> > depth
> >> > of
> >> > tracing during replay, and I can adjust the rpm. I can repeat a
> groove
> >> > endlessly, with just a delimiting click once per cycle. Ah, bliss!!
> >> >
> >> > I had a stupid dealer in antique records send me a rare record, and
> he
> >> > must
> >> > have been drunk while packing the record, because the pack was
> designed
> >> to
> >> > put uneven stress on the record. He instantly paid me back
> everything,
> >> > including shipping, but like Kodak, there was no replacement for
> >> content.
> >> > I
> >> > can easily fit the shards on the ELP turntable, let it run and
> >> > reproduce
> >> > the
> >> > content for me, albeit with clicks that need more work to clean up.
> But
> >> my
> >> > old-time painstaking repair of records is now of the past.
> >> >
> >> > However, we have not solved the problem with peeling lacquer records.
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > George
> >> >
> >> > ----------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I've also owned antiques machines in the past and enjoyed hearing a
> 78
> >> >> as might have been heard in its day, but I must argue that one
> doesn't
> >> >> hear it with the same ears as someone who lived in that day. A
> machine
> >> >> such as an Edison player was probably regarded as what we now call
> >> >> "state of the art" or "high tech". A mind blowing experience. To us
> it
> >> >> is an antique and a curiosity, a charming and quaint item. hopefully
> >> >> appreciated for its role in the history of home music. To a
> >> contemporary
> >> >> listener, it may have been regarded as the ultimate home listening
> >> >> experience, second only to live music.
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps the way to understand a little about how they must have felt
> >> >> in
> >> >> that day by comparing it to the first time you saw a 60" HD screen
> >> >> playing a blu-ray disc movie. You can't help but be blown away.
> >> >>
> >> >> joe salerno
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 1/4/2011 8:36 AM, David Breneman wrote:
> >> >> > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Tom Fine<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That said, I bet I'm not the only one who buys cheap and
> >> >> >> common but musically-enjoyable 78's specifically to play on
> >> >> >> the Victrola. They are never intended for transfer or
> >> >> >> preservation, they are intended to allow me to enjoy my
> >> >> >> antique Victrola. I'm sure others do similar things for
> >> >> >> their cylinder players and Diamond Disc players.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Guilty as charged. There's something to be said for the
> >> >> > "time machine" aspect of seeing and hearing a record played
> >> >> > as a person would have experienced it "back in the day."
> >> >> > An old machine puts on a good show; an mp3 doesn't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >