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Re: Technics apparently really has discontinued their turntables

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And no tone arm resonance either, I assume, since there is no arm.

joe salerno


On 1/4/2011 6:29 PM, George Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
>
>
> Hello again,
>
> Milan wrote about less clicks etc from a standard Shure needle. I do not
> doubt it; the ELP does seem to provide more clicks. However, these are "raw"
> in the best sense of the word, they do no damage by exciting the stylus
> suspension and creating a distorted click waveform. This is why ELP has had
> such success by offering what is essentially a slimmed-down model of a CEDAR
> de-clicker.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> George
>
> P.S. I forgot to say that scratching is not possible on the ELP - everything
> is enclosed.
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> regarding this subject and especially ELP machines, it is matter of (so
>> much
>> expensive) trial and decision of transfer strategy. One friend of mine in
>> Bulgaria who owns the ELP unit (as well as "classical" turntable) put some
>> RAW transfers of the very same ordinary, slightly worn 78 rpm record
>> transferred by
>> both machines.
>>
>> It is interesting that ordinary setup (he used "standard" Shure needle)
>> produced result with less clicks and craquelures.
>>
>> So here are those samples, anyone judge for himself:
>>
>> http://files.mail.ru/HYQ8W2
>>
>> (wave files, compressed by zip archiver)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Milan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Brock-Nannestad"<[log in to unmask]>
>> To:<[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Technics apparently really has discontinued their
>> turntables
>>
>>
>>> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> turntables vs. historic machines:
>>>
>>> I do use a portable wind-up HMV gramophone for demo purposes and to
>> prove
>>> the
>>> fabulous quality you can get from records made for them (excepting organ
>>> records), due to the scientific approach by Maxfield and Harrison.
>>>
>>> But I confess that for listening (and analytical listening) I am happy
>> to
>>> use
>>> the ELP Laser Turntable. I have a fair number of vinyl pressings of 78s,
>>> and
>>> I rejoice every time that there is absolutely no wear. And most shellacs
>>> also
>>> play well. I do not have to change stylus, I do not have to replace worn
>>> stylii, and the clicks are easily tamed, because they are much cleaner
>>> than
>>> what most, even moving coil pickups will provide. I can adjust the depth
>>> of
>>> tracing during replay, and I can adjust the rpm. I can repeat a groove
>>> endlessly, with just a delimiting click once per cycle. Ah, bliss!!
>>>
>>> I had a stupid dealer in antique records send me a rare record, and he
>>> must
>>> have been drunk while packing the record, because the pack was designed
>> to
>>> put uneven stress on the record. He instantly paid me back everything,
>>> including shipping, but like Kodak, there was no replacement for
>> content.
>>> I
>>> can easily fit the shards on the ELP turntable, let it run and reproduce
>>> the
>>> content for me, albeit with clicks that need more work to clean up. But
>> my
>>> old-time painstaking repair of records is now of the past.
>>>
>>> However, we have not solved the problem with peeling lacquer records.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've also owned antiques machines in the past and enjoyed hearing a 78
>>>> as might have been heard in its day, but I must argue that one doesn't
>>>> hear it with the same ears as someone who lived in that day. A machine
>>>> such as an Edison player was probably regarded as what we now call
>>>> "state of the art" or "high tech". A mind blowing experience. To us it
>>>> is an antique and a curiosity, a charming and quaint item. hopefully
>>>> appreciated for its role in the history of home music. To a
>> contemporary
>>>> listener, it may have been regarded as the ultimate home listening
>>>> experience, second only to live music.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the way to understand a little about how they must have felt in
>>>> that day by comparing it to the first time you saw a 60" HD screen
>>>> playing a blu-ray disc movie. You can't help but be blown away.
>>>>
>>>> joe salerno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2011 8:36 AM, David Breneman wrote:
>>>>> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Tom Fine<[log in to unmask]>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I bet I'm not the only one who buys cheap and
>>>>>> common but musically-enjoyable 78's specifically to play on
>>>>>> the Victrola. They are never intended for transfer or
>>>>>> preservation, they are intended to allow me to enjoy my
>>>>>> antique Victrola. I'm sure others do similar things for
>>>>>> their cylinder players and Diamond Disc players.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guilty as charged.  There's something to be said for the
>>>>> "time machine" aspect of seeing and hearing a record played
>>>>> as a person would have experienced it "back in the day."
>>>>> An old machine puts on a good show; an mp3 doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>

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