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Re: was Turnover and rolloff curves/ now World artists

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David Diehl <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:04:36 +0000

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Many of the earliest World ET's, such as the Bill Dodge items were 12-inch. World did not use commercially recorded material due to its low fidelity. Originally, name artists were able to make ET's precisely because they were not to be made available to consumers in competition with their commercial recordings. World's facilities were used by Columbia in 1939-40 and Eli Oberstein's Elite/Hit labels in 1941-2. After Decca purchased World it had the right to issue World material at scale. The Condon, Roy Eldridge and Billie Holiday Deccas were originally ET issues. George Buck seems to have bought the rights to World's library and some interesting things have appeared on his pricey Circle label. 
David Diehl

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] was Turnover and rolloff curves/ now World artists

These were all 16" 33 rpm vertical transcriptions when first released to radio stations who subscribed to the World Program service. Some of the tracks made it to Decca commercial recordings, many of the tracks had restricted use agreements and never crossed over to public market.Im sure some of the original transcription tracks made it to 78 and lps since Decca owned World and the library masters.A lot of transcription library material made it to lp via "Hindsight" and "Sunbeam" label discs. Standard and MacGregor licensed a lot of their libraries i know.Standard transcription pressed custom 78rpm colored vinyl 10"/12" discs for Seeburg background music juke boxes.The last uses for some of the transcription libraries was radio stations who used their fm side to provide broadcast background music like Muzak. There were 2 stations in Los Angeles KRKDfm used their Associated library and KUTEfm used the MacGregor material. KPOL one of the first to venture into easy listening used Standard library material initially.Hope this helps dnelsonward--- On Thu, 3/10/11, Roger Kulp  wrote:> From: Roger Kulp > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] was Turnover and rolloff curves/ now World artists> To: [log in to unmask]> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 7:37 PM> Were these 16" or 12" records? Was> this material recorded for World,or was it reissues of> commercial recordings?If newly recorded,did the> Ellington,Goodman,Ella,etc ever come out later> commercially?> > Roger> > > > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Dan Nelson > wrote:> > From: Dan Nelson > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] was Turnover and rolloff curves/> now World artists> To: [log in to unmask]> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 11:00 PM> > Some of the pop World artists include early recordings > by Les Brown,Eddie Condon, Bob Crosby aka Bert Castle, Bob> Conley, Dorsey Bros aka Daly Bros, Duke Ellington, Ella> Fitzgerald, Four Freshmen, Benny Goodman aka Bill Dodge,> Glen Gray, Woody Herman aka Wally Hayes, Jimmy Lunceford,> Wingy Manone, Les Paul trio, Oscar Peterson, Adrian Rollini,> Charlie Spivak, Art Tatum, Jerry Wald, Chick WEb, Nat> Brandwynne dance orch, Carmen Cavallero, Bob Eberle, Dick> Haymes, Richard Himber dance band, Lanny Ross vocalist among> others. > As you can see any radio station who subscribed to the> World transcription service got a lot of heavy hitters in> addition to stand along 1/4 and half hour complet> programs.> Hope this helps.> dnelsonward > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Roger Kulp > wrote:> > > From: Roger Kulp > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Turnover and rolloff curves> for correct playback of 78 rpm records!> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:22 PM> > Refresh my memory,what was some of> > the stuff that came out on World?> > > > Roger> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Michael Biel > > wrote:> > > > From: Michael Biel > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Turnover and rolloff curves> for> > correct playback of 78 rpm records!> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 11:52 AM> > > > On 3/9/2011 1:32 PM, George Brock-Nannestad wrote:> > > From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad> > >> > >> > > Hi Mike,> > >> > > your last statement> > >> > >> Decca was using the Western Electric Wide> Range> > Vertical Recording> > >> system during the 1943-48 era.> > > points to something I have suspected, however I> have> > no source to confirm it.> > > Do you have somewhere I could look? Best wishes,> > George> > >> > >> > >> > Doug Pomeroy mentioned a few months ago that the> Decca> > safeties he used > > for some reissue project were WE Wide Range> Verticals. It> > makes sense > > because Decca owned World at that time, and it is said> they> > bought them > > to get access to that process. The leading W in the> > matrix numbers in > > the Deccas from the 40s indicated the use of a World> > studio. What > > scares me is that it is possible that many of these> were> > destroyed in > > the Universal warehouse fire, but is is probable that> many> > are included > > in the recent donation to LC.> > > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 

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