The model we had would not play  the groove guard lps  the  rep said it had to do with the focal point of the laser. 
dn  

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ELP turntable 5 years ago
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 12:25 PM
> Are raised rim records a problem?
> Think the RCA Gruve/Guard Lps of the 50s and 60s.
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ELP turntable 5 years ago
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 8:44 AM
> 
> In 1998 I had a chance to play with the ELP that the Vienna
> Phonotek 
> had.  It played almost all the 78s I threw at it as long
> as it was black 
> and had a complete rim.  It would play cracked records as
> long as no 
> white lamination paper showed thru.  It would even play a
> record that 
> had scotch tape on the grooves!
> 
> Over the years at ARSC and IASA there have been numerous
> presentations 
> and several times I explained that the need for a complete
> rim on the 
> record was a major drawback to its usefulness.  We needed
> it to be able 
> to play thru a gap.  The most recent time I discussed it,
> the head of 
> the company said it was a software issue and could be
> overcome at a 
> $10,000 cost!
> Deos anybody know if this has been worked out in the newer
> models?
> 
> Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
> 
> 
> On 3/4/2011 1:07 AM, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > About 4-5 years ago a rep for the ELP  had one to
> play with in San Jose ...  6 or 8 invited guests  had a
> chance to  pick it apart.... the early models were very
> tempermental as to  the thickness of the disc, how
> reflective the  surface was and color of  disc material.
> > The older full thickness vinyl worked ... nothing
> spectular as to sound quality.  The  RCA  thin  lps
> wouldnt track.
> > Black 78s from the 50s   some played some didnt.
> > None of the 20'30;s worn 78s played any thing
> grayed,  Red and brown 78s wouldnt read and  Hit of the
> Week  wouldnt play.
> > I dont know about the new models  but i doubt that
> they are  the ultimate answer to play most vintage
> recordings.
> > dnelson
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Tom Fine<[log in to unmask]> 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Tom Fine<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Anyone have an ELP
> turntable? (sending again!)
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:15 PM
> >> Question about the ELP playback --
> >> does the laser pick up any mechanical noises like
> rumble or
> >> resonances?
> >>
> >> -- Tom Fine
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger
> Kulp"<[log in to unmask]>
> >> To:<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Anyone have an ELP
> turntable?
> >> (sending again!)
> >>
> >>
> >> The ones I have seen used on eBay are still like
> >> $4000-5000,still kind of pricey for an
> individual.
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Charles Lawson<[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Charles Lawson<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Anyone have an ELP
> turntable?
> >> (sending again!)
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:07 PM
> >>
> >> Shai writes:
> >>> Have you noticed how cheap they are now?
> >> Well, that’s relative. The older (clearance)
> models are
> >> the “cheap” ones.
> >> The newer ones are as expensive or more so than
> the
> >> original line.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to hearing one of the new
> >> ones...someday...
> >>
> >> The older ones, with proper cleaning and EQ are
> pretty
> >> remarkable. I
> >> posted a CD vs. LP demo a while back which
> garnered some
> >> interesting
> >> comments.
> >>
> >> Chas.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charles Lawson<[log in to unmask]>
> >> Professional Audio for CD, DVD, Broadcast& 
> Internet
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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