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Subject:

Re: [ARSCLISTwas LP series prefix codes 2. PROPER STYLUS, WHY BOTHER

From:

Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:36:16 -0400

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For those of you with such fears and anxieties, I would remind you of that
first principle of Catholic teaching:

IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO ASK FORGIVENESS THAN TO ASK PERMISSION.

Go Boldly!

DDR

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dan Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> We have a wealth of information about restoration at our finger tips
>  through
> this list.... but why bother ??
> We cant legally share our restored discs with friends much less put even a
> limited number out for  other interested hobbyists  who collect vintage
> recordings.
> When any thing recorded since the beginning of time wont be public domain
> for at
> least another 60 years  we are prohibited from sharing  any of  our musical
> heritage .
> Just makes me frustrated how our history can be locked up  and ignored  for
> what reason ???
>
> dnelsonward
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 1:33:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 1. LP series prefix codes 2. PROPER STYLUS
>
> Due to production vagaries, many inconsistencies reside in pressings that
> look ostensibly identical. Do you know the provenance of the Rockport Lener
> reissue, or if the pressing vintage is the same as yours? If it was an
> English or Australasian pressing it could be free of the roar you mention,
> with which all of us are familiar.
>
> Additionally, I don't wish to be discouraging, but eight different radii
> are not many for this kind of work, where going wider or narrower by as
> little as a micron can make an audible difference, just as conical and
> elliptical counterparts for any radius will usually produce different
> results.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Could be they are using a bass filter (not so good) or Cedar "Retouch."
> >  The
> > later is prices but more effective, when doperated by an experienced
> > engineer.  Seth Winner has done wonders with it.
> >
> > I'd stry riding as far up the groove wall as I could. The 4 mil may give
> > more surface noice but should reduce the offensive sound.
> >
> > It could also be a problem with the record having been exposed to heat in
> > the past.  Try another pressing of the same take.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ROTH, BEN
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:39 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 1. LP series prefix codes 2. PROPER STYLUS
> >
> > Thanks, Steve
> >
> > I have 8 different Shure styli which I bought from Expert Stylus.
> > 4 mil, 3.5, & 2.8 both conical and elliptical configurations and all
> > truncated.
> > I have a Shure M44-7 and M44G for those styli.
> > I also have a GE RPX push-n-turn 78/33 which sometimes sounds better than
> > all the others.
> > There's also a Stanton 3.5 EDT in a Stanton 500 cartridge.
> > I think I've tried them all, but still get that very soft but audible
> "wuw
> > wuw".
> > One of the pieces I have is the Lener Quartet doing a the Mozart Quartet
> in
> > C Major.
> > I've heard the Rockport CD reissue and that "wuw wuw" sound is not there.
> >
> > Regards,
> > JB Roth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Smolian
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:07 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 1. LP series prefix codes 2. PROPER STYLUS
> >
> > ..and consider using truncated rather than conical styli.
> >
> > Steve Smolian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Warren, Richard
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:33 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 1. LP series prefix codes 2. PROPER STYLUS
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > 1920's Columbias often play best with styli larger than .0032: the best
> > course of action is to try anything larger, up to about .004. Try ALL
> sizes
> > and configurations because condition (no matter the appearance of
> > condition)
> > and pressing characteristics vary from disc to disc. Most Columbia "78's"
> > are laminated pressings (layers of "shellac" applied to a heavy paper or
> > cardboard-type inner core), and some came out with repetitive
> low-frequency
> > noises or swishes that defy efforts to silence them.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ROTH, BEN [[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:14 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [ARSCLIST] 1.  LP series prefix codes     2.  PROPER STYLUS
> >
> > Of course FL stands for Foreign Language.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > New subject.
> > Maybe someone can advise me on the proper stylus (width/configuration) to
> > use on a 1924 Columbia 78.
> > The one I use for the Victors of that period doesn't sound good with the
> > Columbias.
> > I've tried every size and shape I have (10 altogether), but it still
> gives
> > me a very faint "wuw wuw wuw"(SP?) The records don't appear to be warped
> in
> > any way.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > JB Roth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cary Ginell
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> >
> > Or "Foreign Language."
> >
> > Cary Ginell
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:51:24 +0000
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > Hello again.
> > >
> > > That's interesting about the label colors.
> > > I seem to recall that I saw a 10" LP of Richard Tucker's album "Israel
> > Sings" with a green label, and the next time I saw one it had a red
> label.
> > > The one I just looked at here in the library has a red label - FL-9512.
> > Isn't the FL series supposed to be French (or FLench)?
> > > This one is all Hebrew. Maybe FL is international/multi linguistic
> label.
> > Maybe the FL stands for Foreign & Little as in 10".
> > > Just a guess.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > JB Roth
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Warren, Richard
> > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:01 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > My expeience is that in early ML-, classical music was issued on
> > blue-label, with green-label for shows, pops-concert music (e.g., Andre
> > Kostelanetz), folk (e.g.: Susan Reed), & other non-"high-brow"  material.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cary Ginell
> > > [[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:10 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > >
> > > The original was on blue label Masterworks. Wasn't it also released on
> > green label, which was reserved for Broadway cast albums?
> > >
> > > Cary Ginell
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 10:07:56 -0400
> > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > SL was for multiple record sets, classical.  The Goodman snuck in.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Smolian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cary Ginell
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:00 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > >
> > > > Here are some others that I have:
> > > >
> > > > AS - Spoken word
> > > > CJ - Jazz reissue series
> > > > CR - Children's series
> > > > FL - 10-inch French
> > > > GL - 10-inch jazz
> > > > GP - 2-LP country / blues reissues
> > > > JJ - Columbia Jazz Festival
> > > > JL - Juvenile 10-inch
> > > > JS - Broadway reissues
> > > > KG - 2-LP jazz reissues
> > > > SL - Not sure, but this one has the Goodman Carnegie Hall concert WL
> > > > - World music? (I have a Ravi Shankar)
> > > >
> > > > There are lots of others in the pop category from the '70s and '80s,
> > > > which probably are related to list price, such as KG, PC, FC, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Cary Ginell
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 09:49:30 -0400
> > > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Mr. Warren,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's wonderful. Those are the major prefixes.
> > > > > There are a few left such as MK, MG, C, S, and I've seen a couple
> > > > > BW's which stands for Bruno Walter.
> > > > > He must have been very important to get his own initials for a
> > prefix.
> > > > > I'm sure that Barbra Streisand would have liked to have her own
> > > > > PREFIX but her initials would not be nice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > JB Roth
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Warren, Richard
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:27 AM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear JB Roth,
> > > > >
> > > > > Others will surely correct and add to my assumptions, which are
> > > > > only assumptions based on years' work with copies of the LP's:
> > > > >
> > > > > These designations all had general or specific marketing meanings:
> > > > >
> > > > > ML / MS: Masterworks issues
> > > > > CL / CS: popular
> > > > > OL / OS: Broadway shows and some soundtracks KOL / KOS: same as OL
> > > > > / OS but with fancy packaging, foldout covers ... (the "O" prefix
> > > > > came along several years into the LP era)
> > > > > MG: special (bargain) issues
> > > > > PS, KS: special (my impression is, extra-price)
> > > > > RL: in the 50's, RL- and EL- were bargain issues of older
> > > > > recordings on the Columbia Entre label (HL / HS were Colubmia
> > > > > Harmony reissues)
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > > > [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Benjamin Roth
> > > > > [[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:58 AM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] LP series prefix codes
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorting, alphabetizing and numeralizing about 2,000 Columbia,
> > > > > Odyssy, Masterworks, etc. LPs and I'm baffled by the plethora of
> > > > > prefix letters they used.
> > > > > There's ML, MS, CS, OL, OS, KOL, KOS, MG, PS, KS, RL and on and
> > > > > on............. and on.
> > > > > Does anybody know how they came to assign those prefix letters?
> > > > > Do they mean anything or did THE PEOPLE just close their
> > > > > collective eyes and stick their hand into a hat?
> > > > >
> > > > > ....also, I wish I could find catalogues that lists every Columbia
> > > > > and RCA Victor LP ever made.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any help or advice will be appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > JB Roth
> > > >=
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dennis D. Rooney
> 303 W. 66th Street, 9HE
> New York, NY 10023
> 212.874.9626
>



-- 
Dennis D. Rooney
303 W. 66th Street, 9HE
New York, NY 10023
212.874.9626

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