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Re: Fwd: [ARSCLIST] The revival of the audio cassette

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Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>

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Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:05:29 -0700

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Brittany Spears is almost as old hat as Madonna,and I can name you any dozen or so artists who were making records in the mid to late 80s Girl Talk sound just like.

To go back to the 60s references,it isn't Johnny Cash and "What Is Truth",but more like Bob Dylan and "It's Alright Ma"

"I've heard it all before,what else can you show me?"

Roger

 



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From: robert wasserman <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] The revival of the audio cassette

I'll have to agree with this. The more I work with music, the more I see good in all types, including spoken word. I might not buy or download Brittany Spears or Girl Talk, but I enjoyed parts of their act while working their local shows in the last year and the fact that both shows were packed with people hungry for live music and because of that means work for many people  like myself too. I now have respect for almost any act that tries and the people who enjoy it, even though it's not my cup of tea.  (yes, some of these mentioned acts use prerecorded tracks, but are still live performances)

And as far as formats, many small and medium acts sell out of their vinyl and people are buying cassettes. I have helped many younger people get their turntables going, not so many for cassettes, though there is great appreciation for what was recorded on cassettes, such as Portastudio 4 tracks and demos and live recordings. For my own tastes these days, I listen online, look for a live video on Youtube , see the band, and then maybe buy vinyl at their show. I then maybe even make a cassette for my 10 year old Honda, but will probably not use cassettes for new 4 track demos. In the last month I have enjoyed listening to a cassette of my first indoor arena show in 1974( ZZ Top w/ Slade) (though through an MP3 online) and watching youtubes made just last week of live shows I missed the tour of.

I do like to goto shows of surviving 40's-80's acts and musicians, but I also like newer bands in that style as well, some of which have kids of my friends on the bands. I like things that are derivative of something I like, I like it even more if done well. Yes, vinyl and cassettes won't "win" against most new technologies, in most peoples eyes, but will never go away.  And I don't see fans enjoying live music of all types any less these days, though ticket prices is another subject. To me it seems the more people get stuck in their machines, they hunger for the opposite, one of the big uses of Facebook is to organize all sorts of events for meeting in person.

> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:13:49 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] The revival of the audio cassette
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> Mr. Kulp,
> 
> I mst say you raise intolerance to an art form! Just because something isn't
> your preference doesn't make it unacceptable for everyone else too. Sheesh!
> How many more self-professed mouldy figs are there in this group?
> 
> I stopped listening to pop in the early 1980's when I feel in love with jazz
> and blues.  I decided that everything else coming out new then was crap.
> I've realized now that everything is relative - if you or I have a taste for
> a certain type of music, we won't be happy until we track down as much of
> that beloved music as we can.  For others, one Mahler symphony or Miles
> Davis concert is plenty (or perhaps even too much!).  That doesn't make any
> of us smarter or superior to the other, just different.  Surely you can
> understand that.
> 
> If you live long enough, your taste may come around and allow you to explore
> new areas that you wouldn't be caught dead listening to today.  Recently I
> read Greg Kot's book "Ripped" and started ordering CDs like Girl Talk and
> Kanye West from my public library because I realized how little I knew about
> it.  I'm sure this will never be a favorite kind of music for me, but at
> least I won't be completely ignorant about it as I've been.  And they're
> very easy to come by - this stuff is incredibly popular!  I look forward
> to gaining a little insight into one of the more popular musical styles out
> there.  I hope you're able to do the same one day.
> 
> BTW I love my shaded dogs, bluebacks & scroll Victors too, but they're a
> pain to listen to on the train.  MP3's seem to work much better.  And I
> think the future looks fantastic, thank you very much.  I have access to so
> much wonderful material now it boggles the mind.  I'm a very happy camper.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Rob
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > I do think there have bee
> > I would sooner not buy any new music at all.
> >
> > I do think there have been a staggering number of unissued
> > recordings,especially historical classical,that have not come out on vinyl.I
> > have yet to
> >
> >  figure out why no other company has stepped forward to issue these
> > recordings.on high priced,high quality  vinyl.Nor do I understand why this
> > newfound interest in vinyl,and analog,has not extended to classical music.I
> > would gladly pay $50 a record or more,for historic classical radio
> > broadcasts.I have bought new vinyl box sets from Amazon for over $100.I
> > would have bought the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra Mahler Project,but
> > they sold out of them,before I had the full amount saved up.
> >
> > There is a very large percentage of classical music buyers,who have
> > abandoned all physical formats,including the CD,for downloads to play on
> > crappy sounding iPods,smartphones,or tiny computer speakers.They are
> > abandoning a legacy of classical music and high fidelity sound,that goes
> > back at least to the dawn of electrical recording.The future does not look
> > good in this area.I'll stick with my Bluebacks,scroll Victor 78s,and even
> > 80s digital Lps,thank you very much.
> >
> > Perhaps you have not been here that long.It has been a couple of years
> > since I said anything about this,but even though I have an extensive
> > collection,and interest,in areas like rock,rhythm and blues,Caribbean
> > music,and older country,I lost interest in new music completely,around the
> > turn of the millennium.It all became boring,and derivative,I had heard it
> > all before,and done better.The same can be said of jazz and classical
> > music.Music has become moribund,and barring a revival the sort of
> > revolutions brought about by everyone from Schoenberg to The Sex Pistols,I
> > don't see the situation changing much.Technology has completely done away
> > with the shared cultural experiences that spawned musical revolutions,and
> > creations of entirely new genres in the last century.History will prove,that
> > if any one person who can be blamed for this,it is Steve Jobs,for giving us
> > the iPod.If there is an afterlife,I wish him only the greatest of suffering
> > and torment for this.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Stewart Gooderman <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] The revival of the audio cassette
> >
> > But Mr Kulp, what do you do when you come across new and exciting
> > performances that you want to hear, save and cherish? They won't be out
> > on Lp. They won't be out on cassette.
> >
> > And there are some very, very good remasterings that are only available
> > commercially in the digital medium. What do you do then? Right off the
> > top of my head I'm thinking of the 1947 recording of Finian's Rainbow.
> > For the 2nd digital reissue they went back to the original 78s and the
> > sound is simply glorious. No previous analogue issue sounds anywhere's
> > nearly as good.
> >
> > DrG
> >
> > On 10/21/11 7:56 PM, Roger Kulp wrote:
> > > Why is it scary ? I have well over 25,000 records,at last count a couple
> > years ago.I have bought a lot more since.I own no CDs.I own four tube
> > radio/phono consoles,and an audiophile stereo system,with two integrated
> > amplifiers,I switch back and forth between.State of the art,for 1960-63.I
> > will never own any equipment that smacks of digital,but I recently took the
> > plunge into solid state,when I scored both a Marantz 2230,and a unusual 60s
> > minor brand Japanese receiver for next to nothing at the Goodwill.I am very
> > happy with what I have.Sure I will look at YouTube,for the unusual
> > noncommercial,and live performances that are up there,but I could do without
> > it.
> > >
> > > Right now I am playing my 1978 Japanese pressing of "This Years Model',on
> > my 1962 Zenith ST-1070-T console,with the Cobra-Matic changer,and the Micro
> > Gram 2g pickup arm.Before that.it was the British pressed Angel
> > 35564.Couldn't ask for anything better.
> > >
> > > I doubt there will be any new physical media,beyond what we have now.Lp
> > playback has been the perfect standard since 1948.You can tweak it all you
> > want,but you don't mess with perfection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Peter Charuza<[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] The revival of the audio cassette
> > >
> > > "There is quite a backlash against the whole mp3/download.iPod/smartphone
> > > way of listening to music,and it can only be a movement for the better.
> > >
> > > Roger"
> > >
> > >
> > > Are they simply nostalgic over past hard copy media that they grew up
> > with
> > > or wish they grew up with?
> > >
> > > Respectfully, I feel if you ask any of these people who claim to hate
> > mp3s
> > > and streaming audio to give it up they couldn't. Give them a new physical
> > > media , best of vynil and the future, and let the re-buy their whole
> > > collection. we'd see how well it does. Convenience is king. I hate it,but
> > > thats the way things are. Everyone Including me seems to listen to a
> > track
> > > or two on myspace or youtube. Its there, why not? It's inevitable.
> > > Ask anyone of these people to erase their mp3 + FLAAC collections, and
> > the
> > > strict physical world doesnt stand a chance.
> > >
> > > Too cold, too scary too lonely.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Everything has its time and place, and records and cassettes don't always
> > > cut the mustard.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Peter Charuza
> > >
> >

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