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Re: Linking LCSH

From:

Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>

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Authorities and Vocabularies Service Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:05:12 -0500

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Diane,

What is the "resource" in this case?

My assumption (admittedly, without bothering to look at CUL's
example!) was that we were talking about:

<http://example.org/1>
  a <skos:Concept>;
  <skos:prefLabel> "Foo--Bar--Criticism";
  <dcterms:hasPart> <http://example.org/2>, <http://example.org/3>,
<http://example.org/4> .

<http://example.org/2>
 a <skos:Concept>
  <skos:prefLabel> "Foo".

etc.

So the relationship would be <skos:Concept> <dcterms:hasPart>
<skos:Concept>.  The inverse would also be true, of course, but I
imagine it would generally be left unsaid.

I'm not sure I actually like this, mind you, but it's
"approachability" is hard to ignore.

-Ross.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Diane Hillmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ross:
> My question about the approach using dcterms:hasPart would be whether the
> 'hasPart' refers to the resource being described or to the heading
> relationships.  Normally the DC one-to-one principle would come into play
> here (http://wiki.dublincore.org/index.php/Glossary/One-to-One_Principle),
> given that the heading is likely to be a separate resource.  Unless I've
> missed something, of course ...
> Diane
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Owen,
>>
>> Similarly, I minted my own property for dealing with coordination in
>> lcsubjects.org (http://LCSubjects.org/vocab/1#coordinates).  I opted
>> for an RDF container (in the case of lcsubjects.org, a Seq) over a
>> collection simply because I couldn't be assured that I actually know,
>> upfront, all of the concepts being coordinated.  This is also one of
>> my fundamental problems with coordination in MADS (although, like you,
>> I also don't feel like I *get* MADS, which I'm not sure what that says
>> about MADS or us).
>>
>> Anyway, here's an example:
>>
>> http://lcsubjects.org/subjects/sh99014751#concept
>>
>> There is RDFa in there and there are links to RDF/XML, ntriples and
>> RDF/JSON.
>>
>> Anyway, I think it's worthwhile to figure out how coordination could
>> work without the overhead of MADS.  CUL's approach (dcterms:hasPart)
>> is certainly interesting.
>>
>> -Ross.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Ford, Kevin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > Dear Owen,
>> >
>> > Can you please provide examples to support the claim?
>> >
>> > These work for me:
>> >
>> > "http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Science--Study and teaching"
>> > (Escaped:
>> > http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Science--Study%20and%20teaching )
>> > NB: The "t" in teaching is lowercase.
>> >
>> > "http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Study and teaching"
>> > ( Escaped: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Study%20and%20teaching )
>> >
>> > http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Science--Methodology
>> >
>> > http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Logic
>> >
>> > Bonus:
>> > "http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Popper, Karl R. (Karl Raimund),
>> > 1902-1994"
>> > ( Escaped:
>> > http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/Popper%2C%20Karl%20R.%20(Karl%20Raimund)%2C%201902-1994
>> > )
>> >
>> > Some of labels above were taken from your email; some were taken from
>> > the URL you shared.
>> >
>> > Cordially,
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Authorities and Vocabularies Service Discussion List
>> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:16 PM
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Re: [ID.LOC.GOV] Linking LCSH
>> >>
>> >> I should have said - not possible via a machine based web interface.
>> >> You could get the bulk metadata and query locally. However, given a
>> >> known label the recommended syntax:
>> >>
>> >> http://id.loc.gov/authorities/label/{term}
>> >>
>> >> gave (from memory) only one result - no option to differentiate and get
>> >> the URI for either the 'topical term' of the 'general subdivision'
>> >> (whichever was required) where they shared a label.
>> >>
>> >> Actually I note that this lookup syntax seems broken at the moment?
>> >>
>> >> Owen
>> >>
>> >> Owen Stephens
>> >> Owen Stephens Consulting
>> >> Web: http://www.ostephens.com
>> >> Email: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
>> >>
>> >> On 8 Nov 2011, at 22:35, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Quoting Owen Stephens <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> >
>> >> > Owen, thanks. It's interesting that your solution of separating the
>> >> pre-coordinated "facets" is what worked best...
>> >> >
>> >> > As for the statement below, I'm intrigued but not quite sure why this
>> >> wasn't possible. Could you elaborate? Thanks, kc
>> >> >
>> >> >> ** An aside - it isn't (or at least, wasn't) possible to search for
>> >> 'topical terms' separate to 'general subdivisions' so for headings like
>> >> 'Science' or 'Research' this creates a problem - it would be really
>> >> useful to be able to search for topical terms separate to general
>> >> subdivisions in order to identfy the correct URI
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Owen Stephens
>> >> >> Owen Stephens Consulting
>> >> >> Web: http://www.ostephens.com
>> >> >> Email: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Karen Coyle
>> >> > [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
>> >> > ph: 1-510-540-7596
>> >> > m: 1-510-435-8234
>> >> > skype: kcoylenet
>> >
>
>

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