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Re: Antrop? Melodiya Stones Was:Do we need the record store?

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From: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>> 
I may have asked this before,but whatever happened to Antrop?
Roger

I am not sure what is being issued in Russia recently because they have
actually gotten the piracy problem under control. The days of the
dollar CDs on the streets are gone. But Antrop himself is still around
and promoting concerts. There was a documentary about the Russian rock
scene about a year ago and he was one of those interviewed. 

Mike Biel [log in to unmask] 



----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Melodiya Stones Was:Do we need the record store?

From: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
> I know the records you are talking about,but my Rolling Stones record is
> a Melodiya 7" vinyl issue,and not a flexi-disc.It actually predates the
> 1988 Soviet Elvis Lp,by a couple of years.I can dig it out,but I am pretty
> sure the first song is "Ruby Tuesday".I bought it from somebody in Poland.
> Roger

Even now these are all exciting to find -- and they certainly were in
the Soviet Union when they were released! Some of the flexis were also
released as vinyls. I have an example of a pair of such by a Soviet
performer. All 7-inch discs were rarely if ever re-pressed and thus
were considered even more ephemeral than 10 and 12-inch discs which
occasionally were re-pressed. Those 7-inchers in the mid-1980s were
designed to relieve the pressure to start allowing some Western rock
through legitimate sources and to test the market. In almost all
instances I know of -- and that includes the first full size albums --
current hit recordings were not used, they were all "oldies". I am not
sure whether the 7's were licensed with the Western companies -- they
probably figured they would slip under the radar -- but the 12's usually
contain license notices. 

Oh, I just remembered a weird example of an American recording on a
Soviet LP in the late 50s. On one 10-inch LP in a series of
international "folk" music, there is one track representing "Gawaii"
(there is no H in Russian) by Arthur Godfrey and (unlisted on the label
although she was the 
singer) Haleloke!!! Reluctantly I gave it to Lee
Munsick after I dubbed and photocopied it. It was a Akkord pressing
from Leningrad. I seriously doubt the track was licensed from
Columbia!! (McDonalds makes Gamburgers in Russia, and the Russians
watch movies from Gollywood! One of my first Soviet records was a
translation into Russian by Boris Pasternak of Shakespeare's "Gamlet".) 


Mike Biel [log in to unmask] 


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From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Melodiya Stones Was:Do we need the record store?

By the mid-1980s, especially after Gorbachev took over, there was a
great increase in legitimate releases of Western rock and pop music in
the Soviet Union. Occasional recordings had been included for many
years as the final side in the Soviet monthly record magazine "Horizon"
especially if the lyrics had a political propaganda purpose, and
individual floppies of Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc. also occasionally
hit the streets and just as quickly sold out and were not reprinted. It
was big news when the first two 12-inch Melodia Beatles LPs hit the
market, followed by an Elvis. By 1989 there was a whole series of maybe
25 of these in a history of Western rock series. (There also was an
anthology series of historical Soviet jazz LPs, but I was only able to
get about 8 of them, and they have never been reissued on CD.)

By this era, all of the LPs were legitimately licensed from the Western
record companies. They were careful not to damage their relationships
with these record companies because they were increasingly attempting to
license their own recordings to those companies for Western releases. 
Things obviously changed when the Soviet Union dissolved, and Melodiya
split into six or more separate organizations. In 1995 I interviewed
the head of the company that was still called Melodiya and had a license
agreement with BMG, and he cast daggers with his eyes at the building
next door which was the former company's recording studio but had become
the company known as "Russian Sound" and was issuing some of the same
stuff with their masters. Each pressing plant had their own
international Joint Venture, the largest being "Aprelevka Sound" at the
largest pressing plant about 25 miles outside of town. The
aforementioned Moscow Experimental Order of Lenin pressing plant had
been converted to CDs and while it had been pressing Melodiya CDs during
the final Soviet years, soon after became a pirate factory, leaving the
REAL companies to press their CDs in Sweden, Austria, or the only legit
CD factory in Russia in Ekaterinberg. 

The Leningrad pressing plant was the source in 1992 of a complete series
of Beatles LPs on the Antrop label. Artemy Antropov inserted his
picture into his issue of Sgt Peppers. And he was the one who several
years earlier had presented forged license agreements to the head of the
Moscow pressing plant while it was still legitimate, to press the pirate
Rolling Stones CD. It has a plain black cover with white lettering, "19
Nervous Breakdowns / Rolling Stones" 

As for the web site you say is now gone, if you have the URL you can go
to the Waybackmachine in Archive.org and plug it in and find it again. 
There is no search engine, you have to have the URL. 

Mike Biel [log in to unmask] 


-------- Original Message --------
From: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>

I have a 7" EP on Melodiya by The Rolling Stones.1960s material,pressed
in the mid 80s.It has a generic cover,with a blurry picture of
grass-like water or marsh plants on it.Bought it brand new out of
Goldmine.They do turn up.

Now what seems to be really scarce,is another Melodiya 7" record,this
one a single with a picture sleeve,of 1977 Iggy Pop live material.This
one a single.I need to dig it out,but I believe it dates from 1990.

There was this web site once,that listed all the Melodiya releases of
western rock and jazz artists,but it seems to be long gone.

Roger


From: "Nelson, James S." <[log in to unmask]>
> The closing of ear x-tacy was discussed on Morning Edition this morning:
> http://www.npr.org/2011/11/22/142456999/economy-mutes-a-longtime-louisville-record-shop?ft=3&f=1001&sc=nl&cc=omb-20111122 Jim Nelson

From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
This store provided me with two very important CDs, ironically not at
the store but at their table at two different record shows. 

One was a Russian pirate CD of the Rolling Stones with the Melodiya
trademark. When I met the former manager of the Moscow Melodiya
pressing plant, his face fell when I told him I had this. He said that
he had been tricked into allowing it to be pressed, by forged license
contracts shown to him by producer Androv Tropillo. Soon after, the
Moscow Mafia took over the pressing plant and the manager and his staff
quit when it was obvious it was to become a totally illegal factory. But
this was the first pirate CD pressed in Russia. 
Mike Biel [log in to unmask]

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