Uh, effect can definitely be used in the context I used it. See the multiple and inconclusive
discussions of "affect" vs. "effect." Bottom line, both may be used as verbs. I always use effect
that way because in my use, sticky-shed or the effects of baking may or may not have an effect on
proper playing of the tape. Sticky-shed and baking are not "affectations" as I read the definition.
You linguists can hash this out, but it's definitely OK to use effect as I did in my posting.
As for Carey Bailey's use of "nothing to loose" is clearly a mis-spelling, and having made similar
errors many times myself, I would never throw a rock from the deck of this glass house!
Dennis, I'm glad your diction and spelling are always perfect! ;)
Regarding DASH and similar multi-track tape digital formats, I never saw the appeal. The equipment
cost a fortune and was semi-reliable (a slave to how well the tape manufacturer did their job, how
well the tape happened to be moving on a given day at a given temperature and a given humidity
level, etc). Meantime, analog multi-track tape technology had advanced to where the electronics were
very quiet, tape formulations allowed a high operating level (low relative noise floor) and Dolby SR
was available to those who just can't stand to hear any hiss. Output was quite close to input on the
late-generation analog recorders, and you had 50 years of technological evolution to call on. Plus
the equipment was cheaper, at first. I can definitely understand why the world has moved to
DAW-based production, there are serious cost-saving advantages and also workflow speed advantages.
Also, digital conversion, in and out, has advanced since the days of DASH, so a typical professional
rig operating at a high resolution setting should do output equal to input for all intents and
purposes to any human hearing.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Rooney" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Baking Digital Audio tapes
> So far, the most interesting aspect of this thread is the spelling errors,
> e.g. "nothing to loose", "won't effect". I hope they are merely
> orthographical and not due to impoverished vocabularies.
> Never having had to desiccate a DASH tape, I was pleased to learn that 118F
> produced a satisfactory playback. 130F for eight hours was the rule of
> thumb in use when I last concerned myself with the process. Sony DASH tape
> was highly prone to digital faults. I remember doing a labor-intensive new
> mix for Sony Classical in 1992 of the Bernstein/NYPO Liszt *Faust
> Symphony*on a Friday, only to return to it on a Monday and discover
> unrecoverable portions that had developed over the weekend. It was good for
> billable hours, I guess, but it only made me hate tape even more.
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>> I'm sure Richard Hess will weigh in on this, but my understanding of the
>> mechanism of tape-baking is that you need a minimum temperature for there
>> to be any useful effect. 118 degrees for that time period is probably in
>> the useful range. Does the DASH standard have a fairly robust
>> error-correction scheme? I would think if it does, minimal physical changes
>> brought about by tape baking once won't effect playback.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Bailey" <[log in to unmask]
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 2:27 AM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Baking Digital Audio tapes
>> Hi All,
>>> I thought the members of this list might find this interesting:
>>> Recently, some 1/2-inch Sony DASH (3324) format tapes were shipped from
>>> the UK to the Warner Bros. Sound Transfer Dept in Burbank, CA. The tapes
>>> would not play and exhibited Sticky-Shed Syndrome.
>>> I was asked if I thought it would be safe to bake the tapes. My response
>>> was that it could be risky and if we were to attempt it, the tapes should
>>> be baked at a much lower temperature for 24 hours or so. It was decided to
>>> try my suggestion since there was nothing to loose at this point.
>>> The details:
>>> 3 reels of Quantegy 1/2-inch 467 Digital audio tape, originally recorded
>>> in August of 1999.
>>> 2 reels of Quantegy 1/2-inch 467 Digital audio tape, originally recorded
>>> in May of 2004.
>>> The tapes were baked for 16 hours at 118 degrees F. and then left in the
>>> oven for 6 additional hours as the oven cooled. The decision was made to
>>> end the baking at 16 hours because the Transfer Dept. Supervisor wanted to
>>> test the results to see if there was any improvement that might warrant
>>> further baking. The first tape tested played just fine so each tape was
>>> tried in succession with the same positive results.
>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
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