It's silly that the author doesn't self-republish for a reasonable price. It can be done
electronically (either as only eBook or as print-on-demand) and thus no overhead and no inventory,
just a cut of all sales. Cary Ginell, isn't that how you did your book?

 -- Tom Fine

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> From: "Roger Kulp" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film technology)
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> From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film technology)
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> I only was involved once in producing a multi-slide projector
> presentation, back in the 1980s. The device which controlled the three
> Kodak Carousel projectors also provided the tones for recording the
> control-track. It could cut or dissolve from projector to projector,
> have any number of them on at the same time, and get the slides changed
> with the lamps either on or off. It was far more complex than a DuKane
> filmstrip frame-advance, but once you recorded your track (and you could
> make changes afterwards, by the way) it would run flawlessly by itself
> unless a slide jammed.
>
> Of interest to THIS list would be the slide shows created by Ed Hutto.
> He did some on the life of Bing Crosby, and also a fantastic history of
> the Victor Talking Machine Co. At our 1974 Conference in Phila he
> showed us the thousand-or-so slides he was preparing, using just one
> projector, and quickly changing bing-bing-bing for nearly and hour which
> had our eyes bugging out and occasionally shouting WAIT!!! But next
> year came the finished product with music, narration, and a leasurly
> feast for the eyes. Ed had worked at RCA Camden for decades, and had
> taken pictures inside and outside, and also had access to their archive
> when it was in Camden, and then in NYC.
>
> Ed retired to Florida and I had heard that he continued showing his
> Crosby presentations. He sent his slides to Fred Barnum who used many
> of the images in a 1989 display and in his book "His Master's Voice In
> America". I wonder if the multi-projector slide show could be restored.
> Steve Ramm -- are you in touch with Fred? Does anyone know if Ed is
> still alive?
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> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
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> -------- Original Message --------
> From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Archiving these wouldn't be at all technically difficult - just
> remarkably tedious.
>
> If one had the original multitrack tape and the slides and film, along
> with a script, you could set up multiple video tracks in Final Cut or
> a similar video editing package and key the video track to an audio
> control track for each projector, placing the slides with cuts or fade
> in or fade out as a guide.
>
> It could be output in 4K or 6K format for projection at a festival or
> museum showing or down-coverted to hi-def for reference viewing by
> researchers.
>
> Of course, if the original slides and tapes were available, the
> original equipment could be reassembled for a showing, but that would
> probably be impractical and expensive.
>
> rand
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Richard L. Hess
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi, Randy,
>>
>> I was involved in making shows a step down from this for St. John's
>> University (my alma mater) which we did for several years for Freshman
>> Orientation--and even developed a small business out of this named "LM
>> Productions". It stood for "Last-Minute Productions" as one of the team
>> members experienced in personally developing Ektachrome slide film in his
>> own darkroom and the Freshmen could actually see themselves in the slide
>> show (which was given on the final day of orientation). We also did some of
>> these for parents as well, as the business expanded and did a few for other
>> schools.
>>
>> We either arranged four projectors in a quad or three in a row and had only
>> a single cue tone that changed all projectors at once, but we could continue
>> some images by putting multiple copies in. We couldn't afford the AVL
>> sequencers. We used mono sound with cue tones on the other channel.
>>
>> I also made five of these shows personally between 1975 and 1989. The 1975
>> show was for an art project on St. George and the Dragon for a friend. The
>> 1976 and 1978 ones commemorated trips to England and the 1978 "Cathedrals
>> and Abbeys of England" received about 25 showings around the NY City area
>> and several in the Aurora, Ontario area in the early 1980s, plus a few
>> showings in the Glendale, California area. Mary Beth and I did a slide-tape
>> show from our Expo 86 and 1989 Alaska trips. I don't think I've shown any of
>> these more than once or twice since the kids were born in the early 1990s.
>>
>> I have been struggling with how to preserve and show them today. All the
>> elements are preserved--all the slides have been scanned at 12 MP and the
>> sound tracks are all on hard drive in our storage servers. The reassembly is
>> not an easy task. Finding a format and application to do it has not been a
>> major priority, but I tried it once and kept crashing Adobe Premier about
>> ten years ago. One of the joys of this show is that many of the exterior
>> images were shot on Kodachrome 25 and I want to maintain some semblance of
>> that level of resolution. Also, the images are a mix of vertical and
>> horizontal which makes life a joy.
>>
>> My five shows were only two projectors/one image with dissolve.
>>
>> So, extrapolating from what I know and have done to preserve my meagre
>> creativity in this area, I would hate to see the budget for properly
>> preserving some of the more massive shows. In a sense, its a bit like the
>> massive painting of The Crucifixion at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in
>> Glendale, California.
>> http://www.forestlawn.com/Special-Events-And-Facilities/Hall-Of-The-Crucifixion-Resurrection.asp?id=2
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Lawn_Memorial_Park,_Glendale
>> It is a 195 x 45 foot painting, displayed with a programmed narration that
>> drives lighting spotlighting areas of the painting as they are discussed.
>>
>> This, too, was from another era, as was Todd-AO and especially Cinerama
>> which is difficult to reproduce properly. Showscan and IMAX are two other
>> difficult-to-archive formats that are still current.
>>
>> The difficulties and costs of archiving "Grandeur" formats (using the 20s
>> Fox Studio short-lived format's name) and large multi-media presentations
>> are huge. Anything other than playing back at "full scale" diminishes the
>> experience--in the same way as looking at a lock-down camera video recording
>> of an opera would.
>>
>> Is there any archive focusing on these, I wonder???
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On 2012-08-03 9:22 AM, Randy A. Riddle wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was in college at App State in North Carolina, Kodak brought a
>>> show to campus that I still remember today.
>>>
>>> It consisted of hundreds of 35mm slides and 8mm or 16mm movie footage
>>> shot by two guys that went on an adventure trip somewhere in the
>>> western US.
>>>
>>> The whole thing was automated with a recorded sound track and racks of
>>> projectors.
>>>
>>> It's a shame that shows like this aren't archived in ways they can be
>>> periodically brought out and redone.
>>>
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