As I told Tom Fine in an earlier post on this subject, it may take a while
for me to find those Dutton CDs as they are in semi-deep storage. But I
promise to share what I discover when I can reach them. What I really need
is an agile young person willing to volunteer to help in the endeavor.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dennis, may I ask you to review your Pye/EMI holdings? I have an e-cheapo
> Dutch Barbirolli/Halle set that was made from EMI masters dated 1986, 1990,
> and 1991. Sibelius Syms 1 & 5, Brahms Sym 4, and Nielsen Sym 4. Recording
> dates range from 5/57 to 9/59. Would these be Dutton's work? They’re a lot
> better than Vanguard Everyman (!), but there is one big flaw. The second
> mvmnt of Inextinguishable is about 10dB lower than the rest of the work.
> Since it's attacca, the effect of the arrival of III is quite disturbing.
> The Sibelius 1 sounds like a Mercury (Dec 30, 1957), the others having a
> more distant perspective. They were very busy at that time. Auger waxed
> Sibelius 1, VW 2, Bax, Butterworth, possibly more, just after Christmas (a
> couple weeks after I was born). Some October sessions in that year are
> credited to John Moseley. Douglas Terry was the producer.
> The Bax Fan and Butterworth Shropshire, side 2 of SR90115, also appear in
> the EMI box set I mentioned, along with VW sym 2, with production dates of
> 2010. I'll check those out. Maybe they'll offer clues to what we can look
> forward to if Universal gets that stuff in order.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:53 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set
> The first CD reissues of Pye-Nixa material was done in the 80s by Michael
> Dutton. I collected them because of their generally excellent quality.
> (This is before Dutton established his own label and began employing some
> dubious restoration techniques.). I certainly remember the Hallé/Barbirolli
> Bax GARDEN OF FAND, which came up fresh as paint. I didn't investigate how
> much it did or did not resemble the Mercury Lp except that it was free of
> the congestion heard on both the mono and stereo vinyl issues.
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]
> > Regarding the Barbirolli material that was recorded by Mercury and Pye, I
> > am pretty sure that EMI used the Pye 2-track masters for their early-era
> > reissues. I think those digital masters were later leased to the
> > Society, which put out some of the same material. According to the
> > tape logs I've seen, all of the Halle/Barbirolli 3-track and mono masters
> > were sent to EMI, many of them in the early 60's and the rest by 1971. I
> > not clear exactly what the Pye 2-track master were. I was told by one
> > first-person participant that they were made by Pye from the feeds of the
> > left and right mics, which would explain what I perceive as a
> > non-Mercury-like weak center in the EMI CD reissues. Another first-person
> > participant told me that Bob Auger did his own on-location 3-2 mix and
> > recorded to a 2-track master. A more logical explaination, based on other
> > Mercury operating procedures, is that Pye would have gotten a 2-track
> > during the first American LP cutting, so it is a "first generation 3-2
> > tape. However, as I said, the EMI CD reissues do not sound the same as
> > original Mercury LPs or mass-duped 2-track tapes.
> > -- Tom Fine
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Pultz" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:23 PM
> > Subject: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set
> > I was happy to find that the 'Sir John Barbirolli: The Great EMI
> >> Recordings'
> >> box set contained a mix of transfers from across the digital era, the
> >> newer
> >> ones excellent. A few tunes that had been the subject of earlier issues
> >> are
> >> updated. One example is the famous Tallis Fantasia session, which
> >> Herrmann had a hand in. The 2000 remastering in the box is dramatically
> >> different than the 1980s reissue and just clobbers the Angel LP.
> >> Unfortunately, the V-W 5 is not updated, but the glory shines through
> >> anyway.
> >> As someone here recently said, much of the EMI catalog has lagged
> >> behind the state of the art. With such a huge catalog, that might be
> >> understandable, even without all the corporate drama.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]**GOV <[log in to unmask]>] On
> >> Behalf Of Tom Fine
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:06 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets
> >> Mike, do you know if there's a policy as to WHICH digital transfer to
> >> In the case of both
> >> Columbia (Sony) and RCA (BMG), there were many not-so-good attempts
> >> good remasters were
> >> obtained. For Sony, I'd put the ones that Dennis Rooney oversaw in the
> >> late
> >> 90's as their best. For
> >> RCA, the CD layer of the SACDs done by Soundmirror are vastly superior
> >> earlier attempts.
> >> For their box set, Decca went back and re-did some material that had
> >> previously remastered,
> >> with good results. I think DGG did new transfers for some of the
> >> in
> >> their budget-priced
> >> boxes, for instance the Kubelik Mahler cycle seemed to have all been
> >> remastered in the late 90s as
> >> opposed to some of the earlier remasters of some of the symphonies (I
> >> don't
> >> think all were
> >> previously released prior to the box set). I believe everything was
> >> brought
> >> up to the era and
> >> quality of the "DGG Originals" series, so circa late 90's.
> >> -- Tom Fine
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gray, Mike" <
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> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets
> >> As a rule, no new transfers are made from analog originals save where
> >> prior digital transfer
> >>> has already been
> >>> made.
> >>> Mike Gray
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