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Re: Cinerama Screenings (was archiving slide-tape shows, was voca-film technology)

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David Weiner <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:04:53 -0400

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The stereo soundtrack was issued on CD -

http://tinyurl.com/8vojwvx


But is out of print and goes for big bucks!

Dave Weiner

On 8/8/12 10:42 AM, "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cinerama Screenings (was archiving slide-tape
>shows, was voca-film technology)
>From: Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Tue, August 07, 2012 2:02 pm
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>> Having seen "This is Cinerama" at the original Cinerama theater
>> in Los Angeles as a young man, I immediately ran out and bought
>> the LP.  My only regret is that it wasn't released in stereo,
>> but the sound is impressive none the less.
>
>I think there was a later stereo reissue.  When I saw it in Dayton a few
>years ago the scene I was waiting for was the early one filmed in an
>Italian church with the choir entering from behind the camera. I was
>flabbergasted to find that the audio was so obviously fake.
>
>I really would like to see Russian Adventure.  I got the LP a few months
>ago.  Bing did the narration on the American version -- I understand
>that the original Soviet version is occasionally shown in Moscow in real
>3-strip.
>
>Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>
>
>--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Cary Ginell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>From: Cary Ginell <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cinerama Screenings (was archiving slide-tape
>shows, was voca-film technology)
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 10:47 AM
>
>According to their website, the Cinerama Dome will be celebrating the
>60th anniversary of Cinerama this fall. I'm hoping to see "Windjammer,"
>which I have never seen before. I have seen "How the West Was Won" at
>the theater and it was spectacular.
> 
>Cary Ginell
> 
>2012 marks the 60th Anniversary of Cinerama, and plans are now being
>finalized for the biggest, most complete Cinerama festival of the last
>50 years. In September, The Cinerama Dome will present all five of the
>1950's Cinerama travelogues, (This Is Cinerama, Cinerama Holiday (1955),
>Seven Wonders of the World (1956), Search for Paradise (1957), South
>Seas Adventure (1958)) plus Windjammer (1958) which was filmed in the
>rival CineMiracle process, Cinerama's Russian Adventure (1966), HOW THE
>WEST WAS WON and Cinerama oddities including a 3 strip Renault
>automobile commercial which played with HOW THE WEST WAS WON in France.
>More information will be available later this year through the ArcLight
>Cinemas website: arclightcinemas.com . It has been 49 years since The
>Cinerama Dome showed its first film, and yet, it is still "the only
>theatre of its kind in the world!"
> 
>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:31:47 -1000
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cinerama Screenings (was archiving slide-tape
>>shows, was voca-film technology)
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> 
>> If you get a chance to see 2001: A Space Odyssey in Cinerama on
>> September 28th, do so. When I saw it in NYC when it was first released
>> in 1968 that's how I saw it. I was mightily impressed!
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> *******
>> 
>> On 8/7/2012 6:00 AM, Scott D. Smith wrote:
>> > OK, this topic is getting a bit far afield now, but since Mike
>>started 
>> > it it, I figured I might as well follow up...
>> >
>> > For those interested in Cinerama, the Arclight Theaters in Hollywood
>> > will be presenting another run of all the Cinerama titles (some with
>> > new prints), running from September 28th to October 4th. See:
>> > 
>>https://www.arclightcinemas.com/news/promotion-cinerama?promo=spotlightM1
>> >
>> > If you've never had the opportunity to view these films in their
>> > original format, you don't want to miss this. While some of the
>>titles 
>> > will unfortunately have to rely on digital projection (in 4K, I
>>hope), 
>> > many will be projected in the original Cinerama three-projector film
>> > format. Although there are still Cinerama system in Seattle and
>> > Moscow, it is highly unlikely that all of these titles will be
>> > presented together at showing anytime in the near future, so see 'em
>> > now while you can.
>> >
>> > FYI: The screenings that Mike alludes to were done by John Harvey at
>> > the New Neon Cinema, which had been extensively remodeled for the
>>run. 
>> > What started out as a special one month run ended up going for 3 1/2
>> > years before they finally had to shut it down! (BTW: The print of
>>"How 
>> > the West Was Won" was an original Technicolor IB print, and was not
>> > faded in the least. Some of the other titles though, such as "Roman
>> > Holiday", were unfortunately Eastman color prints, which had gone
>> > severely magenta).
>> >
>> > It was John who was responsible for putting Cinerama back on the
>> > screen, and is owed a huge debt of gratitude by the entire film
>> > community. When I first met John, he had assembled full Cinerama
>> > system in the living room of his home in Dayton, where we were
>>treated 
>> > to a private screening of "How the West Was Won" (with all three
>> > projectors run single-handedly by John)! While I had seen the film in
>> > it's original Chicago run, I was really too young to appreciate it
>>(or 
>> > even remember it, for that matter...) It was stunning.
>> >
>> > Fortunately, I was not the only one who was enthralled to see the
>> > original presentation of the film, and soon John had a steady stream
>> > of visitors arriving at his door in Dayton, which prompted him to
>> > mount a special run at the New Neon theater (with lots of assistance
>> > from Larry Smith). Sadly, John has suffered from a series of strokes,
>> > which has severely curtailed his activities. A huge loss, IMHO.
>> >
>> > For those who are interested in more information on Cinerama, see:
>> > Martin Hart's excellent site
>> > at:http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingcr1.htm, along with
>> > Thomas Hauerslev's site:
>> > http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/1997/49/afterglow/index.htm These
>>two 
>> > guys have assembled a massive amount of material-you could spend days
>> > on their sites.
>> >
>> > RE: 30 FPS Todd-AO, we have the original Norelco projectors (along
>> > with the curved gates), just no venue to set them up with a curved
>> > screen!
>> >
>> > Sorry to get so far astray on this thread, but thought it might be of
>> > interest to some...
>> >
>> > --Scott
>> >
>> > Scott D. Smith CAS
>> > Chicago Audio Works, Inc.
>> >
>> > On 8/6/2012 6:21 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>> >> About 10 to 15 years ago there was a theater in Dayton, Ohio which
>>had a
>> >> local collector re-do the theater for Cinerama, and they had weekly
>> >> showings using original prints. Unfortunately most were not
>>Technicolor
>> >> so have faded to magenta. But it was still great to be able to have
>> >> Leah experience it. There are about four or five theaters that can
>>still
>> >> show it including one in Seattle, and Moscow, Russia, and I
>>understand
>> >> that the one in London does not use original equipment. Now, if only
>> >> there was some place to see original curved-negative, 30 fps Todd-AO.
>> >>
>> >> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film
>> >> technology)
>> >> From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Date: Mon, August 06, 2012 6:10 pm
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Richard L. Hess
>> >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The point I think I was originally trying to make was that properly
>> >>> archiving one of these shows is very difficult to retain full
>>impact.
>> >> Any kind of audio-visual preservation is only giving the viewer and
>> >> listener and approximation of what the original experience of the
>> >> media was like.
>> >>
>> >> With film, it's really impractical to set up a Cinerama system
>>without
>> >> a great deal of basic funding and maintenance. Even a chemical or
>> >> digital based restoration of an old film isn't going to have the same
>> >> look and feel of original nitrate or Technicolor elements. It's can
>> >> be a compromise in some cases to save something and make it available
>> >> for later researchers versus not having it in a viewable form at all.
>> >>
>> >> Doing a plan for a "proof of concept" for one of these multimedia
>> >> slide shows would make an interesting journal article or presentation
>> >> that might look at the relative costs, advantages and disadvantages
>>of
>> >> doing it through a 4K or 6K master versus a computer controlled
>> >> version using multiple high-def projectors and some approaches with
>> >> the major audio-track formats used to control the systems.
>> >>
>> >> rand
>> >>
>> >

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