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Re: New-ish EMI set

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Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:53:06 -0700

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Thank you Carl.  I've bought the set for less than I quoted before from one of the other vendors on Amazon.  I realized I hadn't read the prior emails in your last one and found out the positive info that you provided about the set.
Thanks for your help and input.
Rod

--- On Thu, 8/9/12, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 11:33 AM

Roderic, that's the box set I refer to below. The masterings, by production
dates, seem mostly to be the same as earlier issues, but a few are newer. If
you want to compile the repertoire list, I'll add the P dates.

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roderic G Stephens
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set

In checking the web, I found that the Hallé/Barbirolli Bax GARDEN OF FAND
only came up as mp.3 downloads and maybe not even available in this country.
 However, in checking Amazon I found this: Great Emi Recordings [Box
Set] John Barbirolli (Artist) | Format: Audio CD for about $36.  It includes
the above recordings and other excellent Barbirolli recordings highly
recommended by reviewers.  Are these the Dutton masterings or something just
as good?

--- On Thu, 8/9/12, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 8:52 AM

The first CD reissues of Pye-Nixa material was done in the 80s by Michael
Dutton. I collected them because of their generally excellent quality.
(This is before Dutton established his own label and began employing some
dubious restoration techniques.). I certainly remember the Hallé/Barbirolli
Bax GARDEN OF FAND, which came up fresh as paint. I didn't investigate how
much it did or did not resemble the Mercury Lp except that it was free of
the congestion heard on both the mono and stereo vinyl issues.

DDR

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Regarding the Barbirolli material that was recorded by Mercury and Pye, I
> am pretty sure that EMI used the Pye 2-track masters for their early-era
CD
> reissues. I think those digital masters were later leased to the
Barbirolli
> Society, which put out some of the same material. According to the Mercury
> tape logs I've seen, all of the Halle/Barbirolli 3-track and mono masters
> were sent to EMI, many of them in the early 60's and the rest by 1971. I
am
> not clear exactly what the Pye 2-track master were.  I was told by one
> first-person participant that they were made by Pye from the feeds of the
> left and right mics, which would explain what I perceive as a
> non-Mercury-like weak center in the EMI CD reissues. Another first-person
> participant told me that Bob Auger did his own on-location 3-2 mix and
> recorded to a 2-track master. A more logical explaination, based on other
> Mercury operating procedures, is that Pye would have gotten a 2-track made
> during the first American LP cutting, so it is a "first generation 3-2
mix"
> tape. However, as I said, the EMI CD reissues do not sound the same as the
> original Mercury LPs or mass-duped 2-track tapes.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Pultz" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:23 PM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set
>
>
>  I was happy to find that the 'Sir John Barbirolli: The Great EMI
>> Recordings'
>> box set contained a mix of transfers from across the digital era, the
>> newer
>> ones excellent. A few tunes that had been the subject of earlier issues
>> are
>> updated. One example is the famous Tallis Fantasia session, which Bernard
>> Herrmann had a hand in. The 2000 remastering in the box is dramatically
>> different than the 1980s reissue and just clobbers the Angel LP.
>> Unfortunately, the V-W 5 is not updated, but the glory shines through
>> anyway.
>>
>> As someone here recently said, much of the EMI catalog has lagged
somewhat
>> behind the state of the art. With such a huge catalog, that might be
>> understandable, even without all the corporate drama.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]**GOV <[log in to unmask]>] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Fine
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets
>>
>> Mike, do you know if there's a policy as to WHICH digital transfer to
use?
>> In the case of both
>> Columbia (Sony) and RCA (BMG), there were many not-so-good attempts
before
>> good remasters were
>> obtained. For Sony, I'd put the ones that Dennis Rooney oversaw in the
>> late
>> 90's as their best. For
>> RCA, the CD layer of the SACDs done by Soundmirror are vastly superior to
>> earlier attempts.
>>
>> For their box set, Decca went back and re-did some material that had been
>> previously remastered,
>> with good results. I think DGG did new transfers for some of the material
>> in
>> their budget-priced
>> boxes, for instance the Kubelik Mahler cycle seemed to have all been
>> remastered in the late 90s as
>> opposed to some of the earlier remasters of some of the symphonies (I
>> don't
>> think all were
>> previously released prior to the box set). I believe everything was
>> brought
>> up to the era and
>> quality of the "DGG Originals" series, so circa late 90's.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gray, Mike" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets
>>
>>
>>  As a rule, no new transfers are made from analog originals save where no
>>>
>> prior digital transfer
>>
>>> has already been
>>> made.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Gray
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
Dennis D. Rooney
303 W. 66th Street, 9HE
New York, NY 10023
212.874.9626

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