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Re: Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering

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How long does the process require, including allowing for the glue to 
harden enough to remove from the record?

Joe Salerno

On 9/8/2012 7:59 AM, Andrew Hamilton wrote:
> I have found other methods less effective.   This is also way cheaper
> than buying a VPI.
>
> This type of wood glue is not prone to balling or gumminess.   It
> becomes hard, like leathery peanut brittle.  It pulls right off as a
> flexi-disc posi and leaves no mess.  The grooves stay on the record and
> the dirt(s) stay(s) on the doughnut.    The glue ignores the pvc.  It's
> magic.   Don't try this on something precious until you get the hang of
> it, of course.
>
>
> -Homer Form-B-side
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>
>> Why would you ever do this rather than a soak/brush/vacuum clean?
>>
>> The only thing I've ever encountered that wouldn't come off with a VPI
>> cleaning or two was what appeared to be tarballs or glue residue on a
>> record. I finally had to gently apply isoprop to the tarballs and
>> gently wipe them off in a curled-up motion once they got less sticky.
>> I doubt covering the record in a sticky substance would have lifted
>> those tarballs, and they might have come from just such an
>> ill-convceived "cleaning method" gone wrong.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hamilton" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>
>>
>> I recommend one try it first only on sides which are quite horrendous
>> for their content / presentation, as well as degree of debris
>> covering them, in order to get the technique sorted.   It's best to
>> have a dedicated tt that is broken, say, so that you can use it for
>> all your glue-cleaning.   (Too bad it doesn't require "hot glue" -
>> hehe).   The stuff in Tite Bond, anyway, doesn't adhere, once dry, to
>> the pvc.   But it _does_ adhere to almost everything else.   I tried
>> it on a little Wagner a while back and have the glue doughnut, still,
>> from the perfect pull - which was my sole effort at this, to date.
>> The record is fine and clean as a whistle, and the doughnut's mirror-
>> like image of the grooves looks dern near playable, had I a
>> bifurcated stylus in my kit.  (Is that _all_ I'd need for playing
>> back a "father?" - not that this would be a normal sort of father -
>> more like a son of a disc..).
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>>> This is insane, but it's your records, not mine. I would _NEVER_ do
>>> this!
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kulp"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cratekings.com/clean-records-with-wood-glue-aka-the-
>>> vinyl-facelift/
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDiF-eVOgoI
>>> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Marie O'Connell <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 11:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>>
>>> I fail to see how a glue can clean records? Please explain.
>>>
>>> Marie
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The best,and cheapest way to clean records,is with good old  elmer's
>>>> glue.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: H D Goldman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 4:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>>>
>>>> What I fail to understand is why disc phonograph records are
>>>> treated so
>>>> differently from other common things we clean. Most of us do not
>>>> re-use
>>>> the bath water when washing our dishes, cleaning our clothes,  taking a
>>>> bath, or brushing our teeth, so why is it so good for cleaning disc
>>>> recordings?
>>>>
>>>> Traces of mold or mildew once introduced to the bath have the
>>>> potential to
>>>> contaminate every succeeding disc. Thoroughly cleaned discs do not
>>>> require
>>>> a "treatment" for static though some surfaces seem more prone to
>>>> developing
>>>> a charge with repeated playback. In these cases & situations where
>>>> raising
>>>> the humidity is not possible or of limited value, the ZeroStat or
>>>> similar
>>>> device is helpful but costly new. I suggest looking for them at  estate
>>>> sales; even those with broken triggers can usually be fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Duane Goldman
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Buddy:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. I wouldn't clean a 45RPM this way. A good solution is the
>>>> Spin-Clean
>>>> record washer:
>>>> >
>>>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/58982/Spin-Clean-
>>>> Record_Washer_System-Record_Cleaning_Machine?&banner_id=242
>>>> > There are many options for cleaning fluids, up to quite costly and
>>>> exotic. Dawn dish liquid would not be my choice. It can leave a
>>>> residue.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. The best way to fight static is first of all don't use a cheapo
>>>> fabric platter mat and second don't work in too low-humidity
>>>> environment. I
>>>> have a humidity meter in the studio and I get static problems if
>>>> it's under
>>>> 50% or so, closer to 55% is better. You can also use a Zero-Stat gun:
>>>> >
>>>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/10413/Milty-Zerostat_3_Gun-
>>>> Record_Cleaner
>>>> > I have an original Discwasher Zerostat that still works well and
>>>> does a
>>>> good job on all but the most badly-static-charged LP sides
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Regarding new, unplayed vinyl, it's usually somewhat grimey
>>>> from the
>>>> factory and transit. I always clean it before playing it.
>>>> >
>>>> > 4. As for EQ, any new grooved vinyl is designed for standard RIAA
>>>> playback EQ. Any standard phono preamp provides RIAA eq as well as
>>>> level
>>>> boost, so it should be OK to interface the preamp directly to your
>>>> computer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Good luck! Making decent-sounding vinyl-to-digital transfers
>>>> requires
>>>> some careful listening and testing different methods, but when the
>>>> results
>>>> are good, you get the sound you like from the vinyl with the
>>>> convenience of
>>>> digital files.
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Tom Fine
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Star Music" <
>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:40 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Please excuse me if these questions have already been asked and
>>>> answered.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am converting 45 RPM vinyl to digital using pristine (never
>>>> played)
>>>> vinyl on a Stanton belt-drive turntable through amp/eq to computer
>>>> input.
>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. I've been told to put the records on end in a soapy wash and
>>>> brush
>>>> them with the groove using a soft bristle brush. The wash is
>>>> supposed to
>>>> be distilled water with dish soap. Is this recommended for pristine
>>>> vinyl? Is there a certain brand of soap to use or stay away from (ie:
>>>> Dawn)?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2. After air drying, I've been using "Gruv-Glide" to reduce
>>>> static.
>>>> Is there something better?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 3. Is this process all wrong?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 4. What eq settings are recommended to bring vinyl back to life?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for your input.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BW
>>>> >> Buddy Weaver
>>>> >> San Diego, CA
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> H D Goldman Lagniappe Chemicals Ltd.
>>>> PO Box 37066 St. Louis, MO 63141 USA
>>>> v/f 314 205 1388 [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>
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>> ➣ Dingbat Lacquer Sound Disc
>> Andrew Hamilton, clerk
>> 1 (513) 542-3555
>> www.serifsound.com
>> www.dingbatlsd.com
>
> Serif Sound ♬ CD Premastering
> ➣ Dingbat Lacquer Sound Disc
> Andrew Hamilton, clerk
> 1 (513) 542-3555
> www.serifsound.com
> www.dingbatlsd.com
>

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