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Re: What's the best way to remove surface noise on Columbia Shellac (1930)?

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Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:18:50 -0700

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I use Dartpro 24 http://www.dartpro.com    .This software allows you to 
choose sample rate for recording and adjust speed to correct. It will slow 
down a recording substantially if desired, with no ill effects. You "adjust 
sample rate" to correct the speed, then "resample" to 44100 standardize the 
format. I can supply the formulii to adjust speed for various labels if 
desired -Mickey



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Hone" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise on
Columbia Shellac (1930)?


> What do you use to bring it back to the right speed in your computer?
> I've
> never had much success with plugins. I always hear artifacts except on
> material that need less than one semitone correction.
>
> Louis Hone
>
> 2012/10/10 DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> One thing you have to be careful of when transferring at the wrong speed
>> is the playback characteristic.  Since this is a frequency curve, playing
>> the record at the slower speed will displace the frequencies on the
>> curve.
>>  One way to get around this, if your amp and workstation can do it, is to
>> record the disc flat, (no playback characteristic), and then generate the
>> appropriate curve in the computer after the record has been brought back
>> up
>> to speed.
>>
>> db
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: James Roth <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:18:06 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise on
>> Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >
>> >Hello there, Mr. Clark,
>> >
>> >Thanks for your suggestion, but I transfer the records using a stereo
>> cartridge so that I can delete the noisier channel.
>> >That' sometimes gets rid of more than half the surface noise.
>> >I don't think your idea would work in this case.
>> >
>> >I'm going to try the other suggestion - to transfer at 33 1/3 rpm, then
>> increase the speed to the proper pitch.
>> >That might help to decrease or eliminate the "wooh-wooh" noise.
>> >
>> >I'll still have to experiment to find the best stylus for the job
>> (truncated, elliptical, conical, etc.).
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Ben Roth
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 4:00 PM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise on
>> Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >
>> >Just convert the .wav file to mono. The vertical will be
>> eliminated-Mickey Follow me on Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/MickeyRClarkM.C.Productions Vintage Recordings
>> >    710 Westminster Ave. West
>> >             Penticton BC
>> >                V2A 1K8
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ted Kendall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:30 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise on
>> Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 09/10/2012 18:36, James Roth wrote:
>> >>> PLEASE TELL ME
>> >>> How does one cancel the vertical portion of the signal?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Ben Roth
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Smolian
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:22 PM
>> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise
>> >>> on Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >>>
>> >>> Are people not cancelling the vertical portion of the signal?
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Smolian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mickey Clark
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:11 PM
>> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise
>> >>> on Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >>>
>> >>> Try a slow transfer at 33 1/3 - at the slower speed, your cartridge
>> >>> will follow the irregularities - it should be all low frequency
>> >>> noise.
>> >>> -cheers-Mickey Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark
>> >>> M.C.Productions Vintage Recordings
>> >>>      710 Westminster Ave. West
>> >>>               Penticton BC
>> >>>                  V2A 1K8
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "James Roth" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:07 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise
>> >>> on Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello alls also.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had the same question about 1/2 year ago.
>> >>>> I have hundreds of those woow-woow surface noise Columbias.
>> >>>> I've tried 10 different styli - truncated/full conical, eliptical,
>> etc.
>> >>>> (Shure and Stanton) and the GE VRII cartridge with the 3 mil stylus.
>> >>>> ...but no luck.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Ben Roth
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Raphaël PAREJO
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:01 AM
>> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] What's the best way to remove surface noise on
>> >>>> Columbia Shellac (1930)?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello alls!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've a lot difficulties to resolve a problem of surface noise and
>> >>>> rumble on a Columbia shellac (circa 1930, electric recording) from
>> >>>> San Sebastian (Basque country) factory.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What's the best ways to attenuate or remove this persistant noise ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm working on a Macintosh computer with Peak Pro 7 Editor and
>> >>>> several plugins as iZotope RX2, Oxford restoration suite, and also
>> >>>> the discontinued SoundSoap Pro 2. The results are not good.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A colleague have tried to use Cedar 3000, but without good results.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some suggestions?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> R. Parejo-Coudert
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ethnomusicologue / Ethnomusicologist / Etnomusicólogo
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anthropologie visuelle et sonore
>> >>>> Visual and Sound Anthropology
>> >>>> Antropología visual y sonora
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Archives sonores - Archivos sonoros - Sound Archives Restauration
>> >>>> audio - Restauración audio - Audio Restoration
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
>> >>>> °°
>> >>>> °°
>> >>>>
>> >> Connect left and right channels of the pickup in parallel. The wanted
>> >> modulation is in the lateral direction, and all you are likely to get
>> >> in the vertical is pinch effect and rumble.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> *sent from my ringing donkey*
>

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