I think for all intents and purposes, in this case, Alliance, the
populated place, and Town of Alliance, the civil entity, are identical.
GNIS provides these definitions:
Civil: A political division formed for administrative purposes (borough,
county, incorporated place, municipio, parish, town, township). Distinct
from Census and Populated Place.
Populated Place: Place or area with clustered or scattered buildings and a
permanent human population (city, settlement, town, village). A populated
place is usually not incorporated and by definition has no legal
boundaries. However, a populated place may have a corresponding "civil"
record, the legal boundaries of which may or may not coincide with the
perceived populated place. Distinct from Census and Civil classes.
I think this particular case sounds like one in which the populated place
has a corresponding civil record in GNIS. If so, I would set up one
authority record but give both forms of name:
151 Alliance (N.C.)
451 Town of Alliance (N.C.)
Adam
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Brueck, Vicki wrote:
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> Thanks, I?m glad to know that it is a molehill and not a mountain, but wanted to be sure I knew what I was doing. J
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hostage
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> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] populated place versus civil class designation in GNIS
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> If there is no township of Alliance, that is much more straightforward. You don?t have to distinguish the entities
> in GNIS, you just have to find the one that matches the place you?re trying to establish. In this case it must be
> the populated place (see the definition), but it doesn?t seem to make any real difference. It only has a population
> of 781; let?s not make it too complicated. J
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brueck, Vicki
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 13:19
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> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] populated place versus civil class designation in GNIS
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> Sorry I confused the issue referring to the PCC-LC PS about townships. Alliance is a community in Pamlico County,
> N.C. which has both a Civil and a Populated place entry in GNIS. Alliance is not the name of a township in N.C.
> If one of them were a township it would be more straightforward, I could simply add township as a qualifier to
> distinguish them.
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> I?m just not sure what to do when one entry in GNIS is referring to the political city (the civil class) which has
> legal city limits and the other GNIS entry (Populated place class) is referring to a ?Place or area with clustered
> or scattered buildings? which may or may not coincide with the legal boundaries of the incorporated city limits.
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> Vicki Brueck
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> Vicki Brueck
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> Senior Cataloger
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> Resource Management Services Branch
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> State Library of North Carolina
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> 4641 Mail Service Center
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> Raleigh, N.C. 27699-4641
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hostage
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] populated place versus civil class designation in GNIS
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> It?s hard to know what to say beyond the definitions you cited from GNIS and what?s in LCRI 23.2. Note that the
> feature name for the civil place is ?Town of Alliance.? There is a whole paragraph about North Carolina townships
> in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_township
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> Usually when we establish a local place name it?s for the populated place. Which one you need depends on the work
> you?re cataloging. If it?s a township, include Township in the qualifier. If it?s just the populated place, no
> additional qualifier is needed. They are treated as separate entities for cataloging purposes. I don?t understand
> the purpose of establishing separate headings when the two are coextensive, but that?s the rule.
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brueck, Vicki
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:25
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> Subject: [PCCLIST] populated place versus civil class designation in GNIS
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> I would like to create the authority record for Alliance, N.C. which has not yet been established in the authority
> file. My piece refers to ?Alliance? in Pamlico County, N.C. When I search for Alliance in North Carolina in GNIS
> there are two applicable entries, one is in the class Populated place and one is in the class Civil.
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> Feature name: Alliance
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> ID: 1018801
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> Class: Populated place
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> Entry date: 17-Jun-1980
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> Class Code Description:
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> Populated Place that is also an incorporated place with the same name and the same Census Code.
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> Census code: 01000
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> Census class code: P1
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> GSA code: 0073
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> Latitude: 350842N
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> Longitude: 0764808W
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> Feature name: Town of Alliance
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> ID: 2405137
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> Class: Civil
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> Entry date: 10-Mar-2008
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> Class Code Description:
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> Incorporated Places. An active incorporated place that does not serve as a county subdivision equivalent.
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> Census code: 01000
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> Census class code: C1
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> Latitude: 350818N
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> Longitude: 0764743W
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> Populated place definition: ?Place or area with clustered or scattered buildings and a permanent human population
> (city, settlement, town, village). A populated place is usually not incorporated and by definition has no legal
> boundaries. However, a populated place may have a corresponding "civil" record, the legal boundaries of which may or
> may not coincide with the perceived populated place. Distinct from Census and Civil classes.?
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> Civil definition: ?A political division formed for administrative purposes (borough, county, incorporated place,
> municipio, parish, town, township). Distinct from Census and Populated Place.?
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> Could someone please explain the difference between Populated place and Civil classes when creating authority
> records for places? Does this mean that for authority record purposes these are two distinct places and I need to
> first decide if my piece is referring to the populated place or to the civil place and then create an authority
> record which would reflect my usage and distinguish it from the other use? Or am I making this much too difficult
> for myself?
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> The only guidance I seemed to find in RDA is in LC-PCC PS for 16.2.2.12 Places with the same name under the section,
> U.S. Townships:
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> ?Before May 2007 as the result of differing instructions, some towns or townships that were coextensive with the
> populated place were subsumed under the authorized access point for the populated place. As these civil
> jurisdictions are encountered, establish them separately.?
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> I appreciate any explanation someone may have because I have reasoned myself in circles,
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> Vicki Brueck
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> Vicki Brueck
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