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Re: Interesting details on new Beatles LP reissues

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Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:08:34 -0500

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Hi Peter:

For those first 3 Beatles albums, are the "stereo" versions on CD and LP just the same 2-track that
was mixed to mono, or was something else done to get two channels?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mew, Peter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Interesting details on new Beatles LP reissues


Hi
The standard Tape Machine for 4 Track Recordings, at that time, was the
Studer J37, 1 inch 4 track, out of the box, but properly aligned before
every session.
Prior to the Studers and during a change over period, we used the
Telefunken T9U and Magnetophon M10, 1 inch 4 track Recorders
The first 3 Beatles Albums were recorded to 1/4 inch twin track, and
then "mixed" to mono
Cheers
-pm

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
Sent: Thu 15 Nov 2012 19:39
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Interesting details on new Beatles LP reissues

I thought that Abbey Road used 1-inch 4-track machines during the
Beatles sessions, so the bouncing degradation wouldn't be as bad. Don
Cox, if you don't like "produced sound recordings," then you'll never
like the Beatles so you probably should pay no attention to the hubub.
Very little popular music since the 50s has been "documentary
recordings." So count on overdubbing, sound effects, track-bouncing and
all other manner of production techniques. The Beatles were among the
most innovative of their generation as far as using the studio and
electronic recording production techniques as allies and fortifications
of their compositions. This whole MO is not universally loved. That's
why there's the stop button and the off switch.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Shoshani" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Interesting details on new Beatles LP reissues


> On 11/15/2012 11:16 AM, Lou Judson wrote:
>> Didn't you ever hear the L.O.V.E. CD or the 2009 remasters? Remember,
the originals were
>> half-inch four tracks on souped up EMI/Studer tape machines. George
Martin himself commented that
>> they sounded "stunning" when he went to remaster them...
>>
>> Your preconceptions are getting in the way of reality!
>>
>> <L>
>> Lou Judson
>> Intuitive Audio
>> 415-883-2689
>
> That isn't what Don is talking about. The mixdown masters are standard
1/4" EMItape half track
> stereo and full track mono. But they derive from half-inch four track
session tapes (or one-inch
> eight track for the last year-ish of their work) that by and large
were recorded by filling up all
> four tracks of one tape, then bouncing all four of those down to a
mono mix on one track of a new
> tape, filling the three vacant tracks and then doing yet another mono
mixdown of that to a new new
> tape, and so forth, until the song was finished.
>
> There are some songs that had three or four such generational masters;
nearly everything on Sgt.
> Pepper and The White Album was done this way, as were the more complex
singles such as Strawberry
> Fields Forever, Penny Lane, and Revolution. On some songs, such as
"Getting Better" the hiss and
> degradation are quite noticeable to modern ears, but it's the only way
they had at their disposal
> at the time.
>
> Michael Shoshani
> Chicago
>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Don Cox wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with the Beatles is that their "Master Tapes" are not
master
>>> tapes but second or third generation copies, because of the bouncing
>>> down.
>>>
>>> I don't see how good sound can ever be extracted from them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>
>

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