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Re: Sounf Forge 10 (was) ProTools in an archives workflows?

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Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]>

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Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:47:19 -0700

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I stand corrected. 

It appears that SF
Tom Fine and John Shooley:

I stand corrected. 

It appears that SF PRO 10 will now read and edit BWF, according to their website. This is, no doubt, a recent update and the result of the user backlash from when SF 10 was first introduced and had no BWF support. There is no mention weather or not the latest update will recognize a time stamp,record natively in BWF, allow for editing in place (something that was lost around version 5) or record a stereo file as separate files (not interleaved). I guess you have to pay your money and take your chances to find out.


As mentioned previously, I started with Sound Forge V3.5 in the mid 1990's when Sound Forge was two geeks from Massachusetts. Like Tom, I still use Version 9, Vegas Pro 8 and CD Architect. However, trying to compare Sony's pro audio software with the likes of Cedar, Pro Tools, Pyramix, Sonic Solutions, etc., is apples and oranges. In all fairness, Sound Forge is a fraction of the cost of the aforementioned platforms and (IMHO) is great bang for the buck.

Cheers!  
 
Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
http://www.baileyzone.net


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 From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?
 
The BWF thing is a consideration only for those who do both transfers and metadata. I always leave metadata to the clients. I'm an audio geek, not a database geek. Only the client knows exactly what metadata they want and how they want to express it, so they should handle that part of the project and leave excellent playback and transfer of analog media to an audio professional.

Soundforge is most definitely a professional audio DAW platform. I've used it for many most definitely professional audio projects. Besides, as John says, I think the latest versions support BWF. Boy, metadata is a sinkhole I'm never going into. That's more appropriate for people with degrees in library science and databases. As for simple tag information, it's fully supported for everything except WAV format, and has been for several versions. I use Version 9 and have no trouble writing MP3 and AAC tags right from the save-as menu or from the batch-script part of the program. I prefer a dedicated tag editor, however. That latest version of SF also handles FLAC much better than previous versions, according to reviews. V9 does not handle FLAC well at all, in my experience. I should also add that Sony has included absolutely by the book Red Book authoring, first as an external program and now integrated into SF. CD Architect includes a very user-friendly
 way to add any CD Text info desired and legal under Red Book.

We all have our own preferences, and there are many DAW options. I for one hate Protool and would never use it. But I definitely consider it a pro-grade DAW program.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Schooley, John" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?


"Sorry Tom Fine, but I don't consider Sound Forge to be a professional platform and I've used SF since version 3.5.  What takes SF out of consideration is the fact that SF does not recognize BWF so, there goes any possibility of entering and editing metadata."

Doesn't the newest version of Sound Forge now support BWF?  Does that change your opinion at all?

-John Schooley



-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corey Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?

> From what I've read so far, everyone seems to be (overly) conc Hi Jim,

> From what I've read so far, everyone seems to be (overly) concerned about the"bouncing" function in Pro Tools. This is only a concern if you are burning a CD directly from the software. If that's the case, yes - it's slow and you are better off using third party software for the task.Otherwise, Pro Tools is just fine from everything from capture to archival. Consider the fact that Pro Tools is the default software/hardware platform for the feature film industry and the vast majority of the music industry. Imagine, if you will, the complex work flow in the post production process of a major film. Now imagine that process multiplied by five or more at any given time, augmented by petabytes of servers.

It sounds to me like you are asking about the process of saving a file as opposed to burning a CD. If you are asking about saving an edited file, the "Consolidate" function is best in Pro Tools and works as fast as your hardware is capable of, plugins included.


What's most important for your needs is your actual workflow and that the software/hardware platform you are using can support it. There are several professional platforms out there and Pro Tools is only one. If you are concerned about hiring youngsters that (only) know Pro Tools, be more concerned that they understand the recording and editing process in general and can grasp your overall workflow. Learning a DAW is relatively easy for anyone who understands the overall process.

Sorry Tom Fine, but I don't consider Sound Forge to be a professional platform and I've used SF since version 3.5. What takes SF out of consideration is the fact that SF does not recognize BWF so, there goes any possibility of entering and editing metadata. SF can only create interleaved stereo files as well which further takes it out of contention for archival. That said, SF is a great bang-for-the-buck for anyone who does not have to deliver a time-stamped BWF. Sony's Sonic Foundry does have an excellent CD authoring program called CD Architect but it is Windows specific.

If you are Linux proficient at all, it can be an excellent and much less expensive alternative. The DAW software that works in Linux is Ardour and it is incredibly competent. It's free with any Linux distribution and a Mac version is available for $40.00.

I still make a living in the film industry and am quite familiar with the workflows. Plus, I'm competent with Pro Tools, Pyramix, Sonic Solutions and several other DAW's so feel free to contact me off list if you like.

Cheers!


Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
http://www.baileyzone.net


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From: Jim Sam <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?

All,

I'm interested in reading any one's workflows using Avid/Digidesign Pro Tools for archival materials, either on or off list. I'm curious about how people are approaching saving Broadcast WAV files; whether they're bouncing through the mix bus or if there's an efficient work around that recalculation.

Thanks,

Jim Sam
Hoover Institution Archives
Stanford University

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