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ARSCLIST November 2012

Subject:

Re: Rigler-Deutsch question

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Ryan Barna <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:55:53 -0500

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Mickey, looks like you had quite a collection at one time! Many of the acoustic double-sided Zon-o-phones you listed in the 5000 are reissues of single-sided Zon-o-phones recorded by the Universal Talking Machine Mfg. Co., not from single-sided Victors. Victor owned Zon-o-phone after 1903 but their recording activities remained separate until early 1910 when they (likely) started recording them in the same Camden and New York studios. Some of the low numbers you listed (ex. Florrie Forde in the 1000 series) were recorded by the Gramophone Co., and the data on many of these (also compiled by Alan Kelly) are searchable at http://www.charm.kcl.ac.uk/index.html. The electric Zonophones you list in the 5000 series were recorded by Victor, manufactured by Gramophone, and exported to other countries such as Australia, and possibly South Africa (per Ross Laird). Note my style: "Zon-o-phone Record" for US issues; "Zonophone Record" for the UK. -Ryan
 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:13:48 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Rigler-Deutsch question
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> I had a few Zon-O-Phone records years ago and I thought they were double
> sided issues from Victor's single sided series. Here's my listing - didn't
> have recording dates when I listed these - I'm sure I can find many on line
> nowadays
>
> Hello This first title was mislabeled - Don't have the record anymore -lost
> in the fire at my shop but the song went Oh,Dearie Can't you hear the
> wedding bells go din-din-a-dong -
>
> (Wrong title)THE MAN WAS A STRANGER TO ME (says George Formby Sr.)
> ZON / / 0 64 0
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> ANYWHERE IN MANXLAND FLORRIE FORDE ZON 1083
> / / 0 0 0 MURPHY-DAVID
> HOLD YOUR HAND OUT,YOU FLORRIE FORDE ZON 1083
> / / 0 0 0 MURPHY-DAVID
> NAUGHTY BOY
> PEARL OF PERU SAYS GEORGE ZON 1536
> / / 0 0 0
> FORMBY SR.
> CAN YOU HEAR THOSE SAYS GEORGE ZON 1536
> / / 0 0 0
> WEDDING BELLS? FORMBY SR.
> VAN DAM FAMILY FLORRIE FORDE ZON 1843
> / / 0 0 0 MERSON
> GOOD-BYE-EE FLORRIE FORDE ZON 1843
> / / 0 0 0 WESTON-LEE
> I LIFTED THE LATCH AND GEORGE FORMBY ZON 1909
> / / 0 0 0 FORMBY-HYDE
> WALKED IN SR.
> GET BEHIND GEORGE FORMBY ZON 1909
> / / 0 0 0 FORMBY
> SR.
> PEGGY O'NEIL ROBERT ZON 2252
> / / 0 0 0 PEASE-NELSON-DODGE
> WOODVILLE
> GOLDEN DREAM BOAT ROBERT ZON 2252
> / / 0 0 0 NICHOLLS
> WOODVILLE
> COULD I? I CERTAINLY AL SIEGEL BUDDY DOYLE ZON 2850
> 01/01/27 0 202 0 AGER-YELLEN
> COULD
> HOW COULD RED RIDING AL SIEGEL BUDDY DOYLE ZON 2850
> 01/01/27 0 0 0 RANDOLPH
> HOOD?
> WHISPERING PINES OF BARRINGTON ZON 2958
> / / 0 0 0 LESLIE-NICHOLLS
> NEVADA HOOPER
> TAKE YOUR FINGER OUT OF FLORENCE OLDHAM ZON 2958
> / / 0 0 0 SCHUSTER-YELLMAN
> YOUR MOUTH
> I'M EXCITED TOM FOY ZON
> 41068 / / 0 0 0 FOY
> I'M UPSET TOM FOY ZON
> 41069 / / 0 64 0 FOY
> STOP YER TICKLING,JOCK HARRY LAUDER ZON
> 42573 11/29/04 0 0 0
> ANY OLD PLACE WHERE THE FLORRIE FORDE ZON
> 43109 / / 0 64 0
> SUN SHINES
> ARMOURER'S SONG FRANK C.STANLEY ZON 5098
> / / 465 0 0
> WARRIOR BOLD FRANK C.STANLEY ZON 5098
> / / 1060 0 0
> HOUSE-CLEANING TIME ADA JONES-LEN ZON 5111
> / / 1144 0 0
> SPENCER
> DOWN ON THE FARM ADA JONES-LEN ZON 5111
> / / 617 0 0
> SPENCER
> MEDLEY OF POPULAR PEERLESS ZON 5123
> / / 1158 0 0
> CHORUSES QUARTET
> MAGGIE MURPHY'S LAWN PEERLESS ZON 5123
> / / 1053 0 0
> PARTY QUARTET
> LEAD,KINDLY LIGHT PEERLESS ZON 5128
> / / 543 0 0
> QUARTET
> NEARER MY GOD TO THEE PEERLESS ZON 5128
> / / 520 0 0
> QUARTET
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #5 ARTHUR ZON 5137
> / / 871 0 0
> COLLINS-B.HARLA
> N-BILLY
> MURRAY-STEVE
> PORTER
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #6 ARTHUR ZON 5137
> / / 968 0 0
> COLLINS-HARLAN-
> MURRAY-PORTER
>
>
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #8 ARTHUR ZON 5138
> / / 1056 0 0
> COLLINS-HARLAN-
> MURRAY-PORTER
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS # 7 ARTHUR ZON 5138
> / / 988 0 0
> COLLINS-HARLAN-
> MURRAY-PORTER
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #10 ARTHUR ZON 5139
> / / 1146 0 0
> COLLINS-HARLAN-
> MURRAY-PORTER
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #9 ARTHUR ZON 5139
> / / 1078 0 0
> COLLINS-HARLAN-
> MURRAY-PORTER
> JIG MEDLEY MARCH(ARR. BY ZON-O-PHONE CONCERT ZON 5167
> / / 8998 0 0
> J.B. CLAUS) ORCHESTRA
> YANKEE SHUFFLE ZON-O-PHONE CONCERT BAND ZON 5167
> / / 8996 0 0 MORELAND
> BUGLERS AND THE BAND ZON-O-PHONE CONCERT BAND ZON 5213
> / / 1127 0 0
> COL.DONOVAN 9TH REGT. ZON-O-PHONE CONCERT BAND ZON 5213
> / / 776 0 0
> MASS VOLUNTEER MARCH
> NOODLES-RAGTIME TWO-STEP ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5285
> / / 660 0 0
> JOLLY ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5285
> / / 211 0 0
> PICCANINNIES-CAKE-WALK
> AND TWO-STEP
> CLEOPATRA FINNEGAN ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5322
> / / 251 0 0
> REELS AND JIGS SELECTIONS ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5322
> / / 308 0 0
> PADDY'S DAY ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5323
> / / 280 0 0
> MEDLEY OF REELS ZON-O-PHONE ORCHESTRA ZON 5323
> / / 483 0 0
> WAKE UP AND DREAM-GEMS LONDON ORCHESTRA ZON 5349
> 01/01/29 0 0 0 PORTER
> PARTS 1 & 2
> BYE,BYE,DEARIE BYRON G.HARLAN ZON 5361
> / / 958 0 0
> GRANDMA BYRON G.HARLAN ZON 5361
> / / 1194 0 0
> YOU'RE AS WELCOME AS THE CARSON ROBISON ZON 5376
> 12/28/28 49419 0 0
> FLOWERS IN MAY & FRANK LUTHER
> WHEN THE HARVEST MOON IS FRANK ZON 5376
> 12/28/28 49420 0 0 LAMB-HENRY
> SHINING LUTHER-CARSON
> ROBISON
> WHEN THE HARVEST MOON IS CARSON ROBISON ZON 5376
> / / 49420 0 0 LAMB-HENRY
> SHINING & FRANK LUTHER
> YOU ARE MY LIFE,MY ALL FRANK C.STANLEY ZON 5378
> / / 1086 0 0
> WHEN THE MOCKINGBIRDS ARE FRANK C.STANLEY ZON 5378
> / / 423 0 0
> SINGING IN THE WILDWOOD
> DON'T GO AWAY ARTHUR COLLINS ZON 5390
> / / 1175 0 0
> AND HARLAN
> IF YOU WANT TO PICK A ARTHUR COLLINS ZON 5390
> / / 770 0 0
> FUSS,WAIT TILL THE SUN AND HARLAN
> SHINES
> MR.AND MRS. MURPHY ADA JONES-LEN ZON 5400
> / / 369 0 0
> SPENCER
> MEET ME DOWN AT THE ADA JONES-LEN ZON 5400
> / / 717 0 0
> CORNER SPENCER
> SHE'S THE FAIREST LITTLE FRANK ZON 5414
> / / 949 0 0
> FLOWER DEAR OLD DIXIE C.STANLEY-HENRY
> EVER GREW BURR
> WHEN SUMMER TELLS AUTUMN FRANK C.STANLEY ZON 5414
> / / 967 0 0
> GOOD-BYE & HENRY BURR
> OH! THAT YANKIANA RAG BILLY MURRAY ZON 5451
> / / 9213 0 0
> THAT'S WHY I'M A HAPPILY BILLY MURRAY ZON 5451
> / / 9210 0 0 MORSE
> MARRIED MAN
> TU SAIS INTERNATIONAL NOVELTY ZON 5462
> / / 0 210 0 GARTMEN-WALTER-ENAND
> QUARTET
> E
> GRASSHOPPER'S DANCE INTERNATIONAL NOVELTY ZON 5462
> / / 0 0 0 BUCALOSSI
> QUARTET
> DESERT BLUES JIMMIE RODGERS ZON 5495
> 02/21/29 48384 0 0 RODGERS
> MY CAROLINA SUNSHINE GIRL JIMMIE RODGERS ZON 5495
> 10/20/28 47215 0 0 RODGERS
> I'D RATHER HAVE A GIRLIE PETER MURRAY ZON 5501
> / / 9350 0 0 DILLON
> THAN AN AUTOMOBILE
> GOOD OLD DOLLAR BILL PETER MURRAY ZON 5501
> / / 9240 0 0
> DOWN AT THE HUSKIN' BEE ARTHUR ZON 5528
> / / 9500 0 0
> S.R.HENRY'S BARN DANCE COLLINS-BYRON
> G.HARLAN
> HEINIE WALTZED AROUND ON ARTHUR ZON 5528
> / / 9416 0 0 INGRAHAM
> HIS HICKORY LIMB COLLINS-BYRON
> G.HARLAN
> YOU'LL NEVER MISS THE FRED LAMBERT ZON 5554
> / / 9619 0 0
> WATER TILL THE WELL RUNS
> DRY
> WHEN YOU'VE GOT NO PLACE FRED LAMBERT ZON 5554
> / / 9620 0 0
> TO GO,THEN HOME SWEET
> HOME
> UNDER THE IRISH MOON BYRON G.HARLAN ZON 5565
> / / 9489 0 0 DRISLAN-MEYER
> COME AND SPEND CHRISTMAS BYRON G.HARLAN ZON 5565
> / / 9593 0 0 HELF
> WITH ME
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #16 RAMBLER ZON 5571
> / / 9626 0 0
> MINSTRELS
> RAMBLER MINSTRELS #17 RAMBLER ZON 5571
> / / 9624 0 0
> MINSTRELS
> EXACTLY LIKE YOU RHYTHMIC EIGHT ZON 5649
> 01/01/30 0 0 0 FIELDS-MCHUGH
> ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF THE RHYTHMIC EIGHT ZON 5649
> 01/01/30 0 0 0 FIELDS-MCHUGH
> STREET
> VALSE SONG NORBERT WETHMAR ZON 5654
> / / 0 0 0 PUCCINI
> SWAN NORBERT WETHMAR ZON 5654
> / / 0 0 0 SAINT-SAENS
> MINSTREL BOY GEORGE ZON 573
> / / 573 0 0
> ALEXANDER
> WHOOPEE-SELECTION LONDON ORCHESTRA ZON 5796
> 04/01/29 0 0 0 KAHN-DONALDSON
> LOVE IN THE LONDON ORCHESTRA ZON 5796
> 04/01/29 0 0 0 FIELDS-MCHUGH
> ROUGH-SELECTION
> BY THE RIVER SAINTE MARIE ARCADIANS ZON 5953
> 01/01/31 0 0 0 LESLIE-WARREN
> WHEN THE MOON COMES OVER ARCADIANS ZON 5953
> 01/01/31 0 0 0 WOODS
> THE MOUNTAIN
> SAMUM-A CLASSICAL FOX BERTINI AND HIS BAND ZON 6188
> 01/01/31 0 0 0 ROBRECHT
> TROT-PARTS 1 & 2
> WATCH THE NAVY REGINALD DIXON-ORGAN ZON 6189
> / / 0 0 0 HOWELL-POWER
> WHEN THE BAND GOES REGINALD DIXON-ORGAN ZON 6189
> / / 0 0 0 SARONY
> MARCHING BY
> IN A SHANTY IN OLD SHANTY RHYTHMIC EIGHT ZON 6207
> / / 0 0 0 YOUNG-LITTLE-SIRAS
> TOWN
> THIS IS MY LOVE SONG RHYTHMIC EIGHT ZON 6207
> / / 0 0 0 DUBIN-BURKE
> OLD KITCHEN KETTLE AMBROSE(BLUE LYRES) ZON 6247
> 10/28/32 0 0 0 WOODS-CAMPBELL-CONNELLY
>
> WHILE WE DANCED AT THE AMBROSE(BLUE LYRES) ZON 6247
> 10/25/32 0 0 0 MERCER-OPLER
> MARDI GRAS
> END OF THE ROAD HARRY LAUDER ZON 82
> 03/05/26 0 0 0 LAUDER-DILLON
> MUSIC AND SONG HARRY LAUDER ZON 82
> 05/17/28 0 123 0 LAUDER
> 
>
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> https://twitter.com/MickeyRClark
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> 710 Westminster Ave. West
> Penticton BC
> V2A 1K8
> http://mcproductions.shawbiz.ca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Barna" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Rigler-Deutsch question
>
>
> > Something doesn't seem right about the Rigler-Deutsch Index on WorldCat.
> > For example, I was surprised to find Billy Murray singing "Diplomat" on 9"
> > Zon-o-phone 6062 (a title I didn't know he recorded), but further
> > investigation shows this is an instrumental selection by Hager's
> > Orchestra, released February 1905. There's also matrix numbers on
> > Zon-o-phone discs in WorldCat that doesn't match with the discs I
> > inspected. Why is this? Is this a case of scanning the Index and
> > mis-matching the data? -Ryan
> >
 

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