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Re: ProTools in an archives workflows?

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Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:01:44 -0400

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The BWF thing is a consideration only for those who do both transfers and metadata. I always leave 
metadata to the clients. I'm an audio geek, not a database geek. Only the client knows exactly what 
metadata they want and how they want to express it, so they should handle that part of the project 
and leave excellent playback and transfer of analog media to an audio professional.

Soundforge is most definitely a professional audio DAW platform. I've used it for many most 
definitely professional audio projects. Besides, as John says, I think the latest versions support 
BWF. Boy, metadata is a sinkhole I'm never going into. That's more appropriate for people with 
degrees in library science and databases. As for simple tag information, it's fully supported for 
everything except WAV format, and has been for several versions. I use Version 9 and have no trouble 
writing MP3 and AAC tags right from the save-as menu or from the batch-script part of the program. I 
prefer a dedicated tag editor, however. That latest version of SF also handles FLAC much better than 
previous versions, according to reviews. V9 does not handle FLAC well at all, in my experience. I 
should also add that Sony has included absolutely by the book Red Book authoring, first as an 
external program and now integrated into SF. CD Architect includes a very user-friendly way to add 
any CD Text info desired and legal under Red Book.

We all have our own preferences, and there are many DAW options. I for one hate Protool and would 
never use it. But I definitely consider it a pro-grade DAW program.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schooley, John" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?


"Sorry Tom Fine, but I don't consider Sound Forge to be a professional platform and I've used SF 
since version 3.5.  What takes SF out of consideration is the fact that SF does not recognize BWF 
so, there goes any possibility of entering and editing metadata."

Doesn't the newest version of Sound Forge now support BWF?  Does that change your opinion at all?

-John Schooley



-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 
Corey Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?

>From what I've read so far, everyone seems to be (overly) conc Hi Jim,

>From what I've read so far, everyone seems to be (overly) concerned about the"bouncing" function in 
>Pro Tools. This is only a concern if you are burning a CD directly from the software. If that's the 
>case, yes - it's slow and you are better off using third party software for the task.Otherwise, Pro 
>Tools is just fine from everything from capture to archival. Consider the fact that Pro Tools is 
>the default software/hardware platform for the feature film industry and the vast majority of the 
>music industry. Imagine, if you will, the complex work flow in the post production process of a 
>major film. Now imagine that process multiplied by five or more at any given time, augmented by 
>petabytes of servers.

It sounds to me like you are asking about the process of saving a file as opposed to burning a CD. 
If you are asking about saving an edited file, the "Consolidate" function is best in Pro Tools and 
works as fast as your hardware is capable of, plugins included.


What's most important for your needs is your actual workflow and that the software/hardware platform 
you are using can support it. There are several professional platforms out there and Pro Tools is 
only one. If you are concerned about hiring youngsters that (only) know Pro Tools, be more concerned 
that they understand the recording and editing process in general and can grasp your overall 
workflow. Learning a DAW is relatively easy for anyone who understands the overall process.

Sorry Tom Fine, but I don't consider Sound Forge to be a professional platform and I've used SF 
since version 3.5. What takes SF out of consideration is the fact that SF does not recognize BWF so, 
there goes any possibility of entering and editing metadata. SF can only create interleaved stereo 
files as well which further takes it out of contention for archival. That said, SF is a great 
bang-for-the-buck for anyone who does not have to deliver a time-stamped BWF. Sony's Sonic Foundry 
does have an excellent CD authoring program called CD Architect but it is Windows specific.

If you are Linux proficient at all, it can be an excellent and much less expensive alternative. The 
DAW software that works in Linux is Ardour and it is incredibly competent. It's free with any Linux 
distribution and a Mac version is available for $40.00.

I still make a living in the film industry and am quite familiar with the workflows. Plus, I'm 
competent with Pro Tools, Pyramix, Sonic Solutions and several other DAW's so feel free to contact 
me off list if you like.

Cheers!


Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
http://www.baileyzone.net


________________________________
 From: Jim Sam <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: [ARSCLIST] ProTools in an archives workflows?

All,

I'm interested in reading any one's workflows using Avid/Digidesign Pro Tools for archival 
materials, either on or off list. I'm curious about how people are approaching saving Broadcast WAV 
files; whether they're bouncing through the mix bus or if there's an efficient work around that 
recalculation.

Thanks,

Jim Sam
Hoover Institution Archives
Stanford University

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