Hi Mike and Dennis,
I understand what you are saying. Elsewhere we find rather strenuous and
somewhat intolerant controversy, not unlike the religious wars between the
engineers and the golden ears. Lipshitz vs Tiefenbrun (I remember good ole
Ivor.) Or Cardinals fans vs Cubs fans. But I would encourage us to continue
with the useful, polite exchanges of information and points of view we have
enjoyed. I for one have found them quite interesting. Mike, you seem to be
suggesting that technical progress is occurring and that it is good. Then
why put a damper or a muzzle on the discussion? The technical issues are
far from settled and constantly evolving. I find that this forum is closer
to a broad quasi-consensus than any other I am aware of.
L. H. Kevil
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> After sampling some of the traffic on this topic before concluding "been
> there, done that", and then the bother of deleting so many posts, I
> strongly second Mike Gray's opinion.
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Gray, Mike <[log in to unmask]>
> > This discussion sounds so 1980s ... I remember having lunch with two
> > Philips engineers during AES in LA in 1988. I'll never forget what one of
> > them said there: 'We've never really heard 16-bits".
> > Since then, we've had 20-bit conversion, 24-bit conversion, sample rates
> > at 96K and 192k, and Sony DSD . I'd argue that
> > each of these moved us closer to accurately capturing the analog signal
> > coming out of a recording console.
> > A final note: bits are not bits - they are data coded by the zero
> > point of the ongoing digital wave form, which can be significantly
> > distorted by, among other things, timing jitter. Contemporary designers
> > hard to minimize jitter and are succeeding pretty well these days in the
> > 16/44 world. So we are, in fact, getting closer to hearing what 16-bits
> > sound like.
> > Let's leave these old arguments behind and move onto more productive
> > of discussion - like preservation.
> > Mike Gray
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