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Re: New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube

From:

Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:27:58 -0500

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Hi Mike:

See below... [my comments in brackets]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube


I don't want to play the numbers game either, but the translation of the
Japanese Tower listing shows only two 2-disc sets, not three.  So the 55
disc box has 53 "releases" not 52.  So 47 + 53 is an even 100, BUT how
many of these in Box 2 were not on the original 125 jewel box releases?
Can Stewart give us the URL of the listing he is using from which he got
that number?

[Like I said yesterday, I don't have a dog in the "fight." The numbers is what they is. There's 
stuff not included in the box sets. Lobby UMG/Decca for a third box set if you don't have the 
original 1990s CDs. I'd love to see a third box set, if they do it as well as they did the first 
two, and I'm happy to again contribute ideas, photos and booklet text.]

I must say that in some instances I like the second box even better than
the first, but I do want to know what we are still missing from those
that have already been released individually.  I suppose that Stewart's
list could be used for that.

[The first box set was made for the Asian market, so some of the choices may seem strange to 
Americans and Europeans. My first impression was -- yeah, strange way to repesent the label if you 
can only choose 50 discs, but that clears the way for an excellent second box not made up of 
"leftovers." The second box was chosen with input from me and my brothers and under the control of 
Decca's central office in London. Those guys were working from the get-go for a global audience, so 
the choices are a bit more universal. Mercury never was a label that checked all the boxes for the 
"basic" repertoire over and over again like Columbia and DGG. Many recordings of new or 
then-unfamiliar music were strong suits in the catalog, but with lots of established music so as to 
make sure sales were viable. Anyway, the first box went global because it sold so well in Asia. It 
happened under the radar at first, then kind of exploded because the initial production run sold out 
in a couple of months. For the global market, the packaging was tweaked a little bit and the booklet 
was changed to English/French/German. As I've said before, the booklet was the same text as what was 
in the "You Are There" compactoteque sampler released in the mid-90s. This new booklet is new text, 
and they included the recording/technical info that was in the front of the original CD books.]

Tom -- are there some of the non-issued things, such as the monos, that
might have been transferred and could be used in a third box more
easily. Can we put in requests??  There are some of the modern Americana
that would be good, and the mono 1812 is a must.  Is there a producer to
contact?  An address?  All we consumers are told is "Made in the E.C."
It is rather pre-matureto contact just now because the need to first
know how the second box is selling.

[Mike, definitely let Decca Classics in London know how you feel. I believe there is a contact form 
at their website. If you like the box sets, let them know that, too. Their employees and contractors 
worked hard and did a good job to meet the deadlines, including making a 200-page book from scratch. 
And yes, all Decca Classics CDs sold in the US and Europe are "Made in EC," in the old Polygram 
plant in Hanover Germany (which is owned by a seperate company now, I think). I definitely want to 
see more of the old mono catalog brought back into print. There are some new technologies that can 
greatly help the old tapes. It's expensive, though, so it's not a sure thing it's a viable 
commercial idea. Discussions are on-going. And regarding the monos, absolutely on the Hanson/ERO 
records that are in the vaults. But we'd have to intersperse them with stuff more likely to be 
popular like Dorati's Copland 3rd, Dorati's "Church Windows", "A Young Person's Guide to the 
Orchestra" with Deems Taylor, and yes the mono "1812," which includes different cannon and bells. 
What I want to do with monos in a future box set is reissue them in the original LP sequences with 
original LP cover art on the sleeves (I have all the LPs so I'll provide scans, all the original art 
burned up in a warehouse fire in the 90s.]

One final question. The photo of box one shows two booklets, one with
Japanese writing at the bottom.  My copy -- sealed from ArkivMusic --
does not have that one.  Does that one have anything the English one
doesn't?

[I don't know about a second booklet, but the Japan market might be selling leftovers of the 
original Korean-designed box. However, my brother bought one of those on eBay (that's how we found 
out about it in the first place) and I don't recall two booklets. The second booklet may be a 
promotional catalog or the like.]

Mike Biel [log in to unmask]

-- "Toe-Mas Kozato"

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube
From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, February 15, 2013 6:35 pm
To: [log in to unmask]

Hi Stewart:

Ok, you ran the numbers. What that proves, I don't know. I don't have a
dog in this "fight."

I'd love to see the rest of the original CD titles brought back into
print, so I think we want the
same thing? About the only thing you can "do" is contact UMG/Decca
Classics and let your feelings be
known.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stewart Gooderman" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube


Dear Mr Fine,

I'm really sorry to disagree with you but I must. The first box set
contains 50 CDs, *3 of which are
the second disc of a single, double disc release (ex: Nutcracker, Civil
War, Bach)* That makes 47
actual releases.

If you look at the actual listing that was placed on the internet, they
list them by release *not*
by disc. There are 52 releases, some being multidisc).

According to a web site I found that lists *every CD release of the
series made, there were 125
total number of releases, some multidisc.

47 + 52 = 99

125 - 99 = 26

26/125 = 0.208 = 20.8% still to be released.

One doesn't just buy one disc of The Nutcracker. It was not sold that
way, was it, or am I wrong in
this?

DrG

On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:18 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> That's not correct. The first box set included 50 CDs plus 1 bonus CD (an interview my mother did
> to promote the release of the Kubelik mono CDs). The second box set will contain 53 CDs plus two
> bonus discs -- a new remaster of the mono Rite of Spring (Dorati/Minneapolis) and a first-ever
> issue on CD of the Corigliano Piano Concerto premiere recording (Hilde Somer / Alessandro / San
> Antonio). So it's less than 21% not put back in print, but it's more than 10 titles. Good news,
> time to plan out a 3rd box set!
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Gooderman" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube
>
>
> According to an internet search, there were 125 CD releases (not counting 2 samplers and 7 multi
> set re-reissue compilations).
>
> The first box release contained 47, the second box, 52.
>
> That leaves 26, or about 21% of the entire series yet unre-releassed.
>
> DrG
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Randy:
>>
>> First, to answer Ben Roth's question -- no overlap between the two sets. Volume 2 is 53 more MLP
>> CDs originally released as single discs (and a few 2CDs) in the 1990s.
>>
>> As to your question, off the top of my head I can name two three CD titles not in either box set:
>>
>> 1. Dorati's Brahms symphony cycle (2CD)
>> 2. Adam "Giselle" (2CD)
>> 3. Fennell conducts Gershwin and Porter pops tunes
>>
>> I think that the Paray Schumann symphonies is also not included in either set.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Lane" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube
>>
>>
>>> Yes, this volume 2. Get this one too and you'll have almost all of the
>>> content of the offical MLP CDs issued by Philips under the direction of WCF.
>>> I am curious if Tom can tell us what is not contained in the 2 sets that
>>> makes the completeness just an "almost all".
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, James Roth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Is this a different box set from the one I bought about 3 months ago?
>>>> At the end of the Youtube video there's a big, red numeral 2 behind the
>>>> letter R of COLLECTOR'S.
>>>> What does that indicate?
>>>>
>>>> Ben Roth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>>>> [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Donald Tait
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Tom. Is there going to be a complete listing of the set's
>>>> contents at some point, somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> Don Tait
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask] ><javascript:;>>
>>>> To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask] ><javascript:;>>
>>>> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:42 am
>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] New MLP box set promo video now on YouTube
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MLP Boxset 1080p FULL<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e9vGCyRaHU&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>
>>>> this is a good description/marketing video for the new box set. Non-US
>>>> release will be in April, USA in May. 55-CD box. Pricing should be in line
>>>> with the previous box (about $2 per disc). New 6-LP collector box will be
>>>> released soon after the CD box. Manufacturing numbers will be about the
>>>> same as last time, so availability will likely be about the same --
>>>> somewhere less than a year before they're all gone. UMG/Decca did a really
>>>> nice job on this one. The first box was very successful and they came back
>>>> and raised the bar on the second one rather than stick to the exact same
>>>> thing.
>>>> Between the two boxes, all but a handful of the original CDs have been
>>>> brought back into print (temporarily).
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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