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Re: [GRAYMAIL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Digitizing 10,000+ audio cassettes

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Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]>

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A. 48/24 is fine, you don't need more.
B. Find an old Nuendo 2 on the web. It's dirt cheap. Looks very complex 
but if all you want is multi track recording you can get that into your 
head after about 20 pages of the manual and about half a day's worth of 
trials. All these programs are manifestations of old analog boards so 
for people like me they are intuitive. For outsiders they look complex. 
But again, if all you need is straight multi track recording it's really 
easy and cheap. Cubase should be easy as well.
Shai
בתאריך 22/02/13 5:59 PM, ציטוט Joel Alperson:
> I want to comment on the several questions and comments which I've
> received over the last day.
>
> I am certain these are the only tapes as they were held by the radio
> talk show host himself.
>
> These tapes precede the days of podcasts, etc. If any other tapes are in
> existence, neither he nor I would know where they could be.
>
> And yes, my mistake, my audio interface is a MOTU UltraLite Mk3 hybrid.
>
> The nature of these tapes are radio shows and lectures, largely.
>
> Preserving cassettes is not in the cards for me. These cassettes are
> going to go bad, if some haven't already. And the ability to move back
> and forth through a specific recording is so much easier after the
> recording is digitized.
>
> I have to confess, I'm caught off guard a bit by the recommendation for
> 24/96 files for voice recordings, although given the cost of storage,
> it's probably not that big of a deal to go with that bit and sample
> rate.
>
> And as for intellectual copy laws, given that the author of the material
> has given me the right to copy the material, I'm at least partially
> protected.
>
> This project has more to do with having an extensive library of material
> available to myself and the author than anything else. If he chooses to
> try to sell any of these recordings to the public, I'll let him deal
> with whatever legal ramifications there are to doing that. Whatever
> minimal risk there is for me otherwise, I'm willing to do deal with.
>
> My big question is, what is the easiest way for me to learn to use a
> software package like Samplitude (recommended by Richard Hess)? I've
> seen an instruction manual or two for these types of programs and
> they're massive and seem very complex. Given that for now I'm just
> interested in recording (not editing) material, I'd hope there's an
> easier way for me to  get familiar with these products.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks to everyone again for your incredibly detailed and thoughtful
> messages. It's very nice of all of you to take the time to help me as
> you have.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [GRAYMAIL] Re: [ARSCLIST] Digitizing 10,000+ audio cassettes
>
> Hi, Joel,
>
> Please see comments in-line.
>
> On 2013-02-21 1:10 PM, Joel Alperson wrote:
>> These tapes in most cases are the only recordings which exist.
> As others have said, are you certain?
> Another thought is that perhaps an archive would be interested in them?
> One thing comes to mind that KPFK in LA has broadcast a whole bunch of
> philosophy over the years but I don't know how much has been preserved
> in the Pacifica Archive and how much was preserved externally. When I
> lived in LA, I recall many late-night broadcasts of Alan Watts (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Watts ) in the 1980s and 1990s (after
> his death). It was my impression that they were being broadcast from
> duplicated cassettes. I am assuming this is something similar in
> concept. I have a big project in house (for too long as there are issues
> with it) of a major Roman Catholic theologian which I really need to
> finish. They are most patient, but part of it was bigger than originally
> presented and the metadata on the reels is less good than hoped.
>> The reasons for digitizing are, one to preserve them as some are over
>> 30 years old.
> This seems like the correct approach. I would not trust these tapes to
> be easily playable (from the tape and the machine perspective) in the
> next two to three decades. Right now there are competent choices
> available. I received a tape transferred in MP3 format on one of the Ion
> or similar machines to clean up and it cleaned up well...it was spoken
> word. I disagree with a previous statement concerning just archive the
> cassettes. The material will become less and less accessible and who
> better to do this than you who has the motivation, interest, and caring
> to want to see this done.
>> Two, to more easily listen to search through them.
> Still takes oodles of time to search. Develop a controlled vocabulary
> and whenever you listen note the time (and don't trim the heads after
> logging the time).
>>    And finally, to ultimately digitally transcribe to text the
>> recordings at some time in the future, although that's a far less
>> important goal for now.
> I still hear mixed reports on this. Someone I know is trying to use
> Dragon Naturally Speaking, but has not started yet. This is an
> interesting discussion by a friend of mine (caution, very slow loading
> here and I've just written her about it).
> http://familyoralhistory.us/news/view/transcription_or_dictation_will_ha
> l_open_the_pod_bay_doors
>> It seems to me that using an outside service would be tremendously
>> expensive, certainly well into five figures if not more.
> I was thinking just nudging into seven, but could probably do it for six
> figures, but it means growing my business larger than I want and hiring
> employees which I don't want.
>> And I have the advantage of not having a hard deadline for this work
>> meaning if the job takes me several years to complete that is far
>> better than leaving the tapes to deteriorate without preservation.
> If you're doing it on the side figure a few years no matter what. It
> gets old. Tirage is good, if not triage, start with the oldest first.
>> For now, deleting silence at the beginning or end of the recordings is
>> not critical. Just getting the material digitized is my priority.
> That's a good move, just recall you'll need more than a little storage.
> NAS units are good. At least two, with backups to a third set of USB
> 2.5-inch Hard Drives is how I convince myself it's safe.
> http://richardhess.com/notes/category/computer-data/data-storage/
>> I currently have an M-Audio Ultra Lite Mk3 audio interface.
> You mean MOTU UltraLite Mk3, right? Is it the Mk3 or the Mk3 Hybrid? (I
> don't know the precise difference, actually.)
>
> MOTU UlraLite Mk3 Hybrid has six line inputs and two mic/instrument
> inputs. The safest thing to do is to use up to three cassette machines.
> It would still only work in real time as getting faster than real time
> players is difficult unless you go get the UK high-speed stuff.
>> The big questions for me then (I think) are what software to use and
>> some step-by-step instructions as to how I connect several audio
>> cassette recorders to the audio interface and on operating the
>> software I would use.
> You could use any software that could record multiple stereo WAV files.
> I use www.samplitude.com and it is pretty good. The newest version
> allows easier naming of multiple files from the mixer interface (with an
> option).
>> I'm sure there are questions I don't even know to ask.
> Many of them might already be answered in my blog at
> www.richardhess.com/notes/ Perhaps starting with this which is a dump on
> everything I have tagged cassettes
> http://richardhess.com/notes/category/audio/cassettes/
>> So let me just say one more time, thanks to everyone.
> You're welcome!
>
> Good luck with it!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>

-- 
בברכה,
שי דרורי
מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ.

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