Mike, once again your posting is educational! I bought one of those green Bowie/Ormandy records
right away. Another one I didn't know about. Agree it's an ugly color combo. David Bowie and Eugene
Ormandy might be an ugly combo as well!
Here's a colored vinyl question -- the Crystal Clear D2D album by Laurindo Almeida, "Virtuoso
Guitar." Was it ever NOT pressed as a 45RPM white-vinyl record? I've found several copies over the
years and all of them are somewhat noisy. It must not have been very good white vinyl.
-- Tom Fine
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] RCA red vinyl for digital
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Subject: [ARSCLIST] RCA red vinyl for digital
From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, February 24, 2013 4:24 pm
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> RCA Red Seal (classical front-line label) pressed its first digital
> record -- Ormandy/Philly Bartok Concerto for Orchestra -- on red vinyl.
> Does anyone know for sure if they did any other first-issue digitals
> on red vinyl? Anyway, was anyone else using red vinyl regularly in
> that time period -- 1978-1980? -- Tom Fine
This was a prime time for novelty pressings of all colors, shapes, etc.
RCA did the Ormandy/David Bowie "Peter and the Wolf" on green vinyl --
the green with that particular red label was a rather ugly combination.
Once on ebay I saw a listing for a black vinyl copy, which the dealer
reminded us was a "common black copy" not a "rare green copy"! I've
never seen anything but green copies and there were about ten green
copies on ebay at that moment! Quickly buying that inexpensive black
copy I realized immediately when I got it that it was not really
"black", it actually is a very dark brown that is slightly translucent
when held up to the light. This is a very high grade premium vinyl, and
I think a lot of RCA Red Seals from those final LP years were on this
Of course we all remember the Elvis "Moody Blue" blue pressings. Only
the first half million or something like that were to be blue. They
PLANNED to switch to black, which they did a week or two before he died.
The morning after he died I was in Sounds Good in Chicago where our pal
Rich Markow was a buyer. He was unpacking a shipment which included the
first black copies of Moody Blue we had seen. He had ordered them a few
days ago when he ran out. "Damn, now I have to find a blue copy." Well,
it turns out that RCA double-crossed us and resumed pressing in blue!
It was those black copies I had in my hands but didn't want that ended
up being the rare ones. I finally found a black copy about 5 years ago
at a flea market dealer who had all his Elvis records marked at 50% off.
Great! After I bought it I called up Leah and just said "Moody black!"
She knew what I meant.
> Pablo also did their first series of digital records on red vinyl.
> I suspect RCA was doing the pressing, although by that time Pablo
> was saying "Manufactured by Pablo Records" on their LPs. The early
> Pablo records said on the label that they were manufactured by RCA.
> I suspect that Norman Granz got that changed once the label got
> established, but probably kept RCA doing the pressing until Pablo
> was bought by Fantasy Group.
"Manufactured" does not always mean factory pressing. If you look at
Harry Belefonte RCA Victor LPs you see that they are manufactured by
Belefonte Enterprises, or something like that.
Mike Biel [log in to unmask]