Hi Stephen:

  Right! Now all we have to do is distinguish between issues of "name" 
(whole) fullness and "name element" (IN "name" or AS qualifier) fullness 
when we talk about the issue.

Cheers!

jgm

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013, Stephen Hearn wrote:

> The ambiguity here is between judging the "fuller" of two forms (T.S.
> and Thomas Stearns are considered equally "full") and the "fuller"
> form qualifier for an abbreviated or inadequate name element (e.g., T.
> S. $q (Thomas Stearns) or John $q (John Arthur)). In most contexts
> it's the latter that is intended.  Minor paradox: the equivalent
> fullness of T.S. and Thomas Stearns justifies the use of Thomas
> Stearns as the fuller form qualifier for T.S.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:41 PM, john g marr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013, Moore, Richard wrote:
>>
>>> cf. AACR2 22.18A:
>>
>>
>>> "The most common instances of such additions occur when the heading as
>>> prescribed by the preceding rules contains initials and the spelled out form
>>> is known. Less common instances occur when known forenames, surnames, or
>>> initials are not part of the heading as prescribed."
>>
>>
>>  AACR2 never really defined "fuller form". except by example, after
>> declaring that examples should be considered "illustrative and not
>> prescriptive."
>>
>>  Half of the examples under 22.18A represent the addition of true "fuller
>> forms."
>>
>>  I got incredibly used to LC's precise definition in their LCRI for 22.3A
>> before they canceled the LCRI for other reasons. It was simply clear:
>>
>>  "When determining the fullest form for a person who uses both forename
>> initials and forenames, make no distinction between initials and forenames,
>> e.g., 'B.E.F. Pagen' is fuller than 'Bernard Edward Pagen.'"
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>  John G. Marr
>>  Cataloger
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>>  Univ. of New Mexico
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