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Re: [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals ... fictitious characters

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Benjamin A Abrahamse <[log in to unmask]>

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Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:39:04 +0000

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Inspired by this question, I was looking around in OCLC for examples of fictional characters as authors. I looked up James Bond because I have a vague memory of once cataloging an early Bond novel or collection of short stories, that purported to be written by James Bond (the fictional character, not the well-known ornithologist), so under RDA it could be given a 100 for James Bond (but probably not--since the real author is quite well known).

In any case I had no luck finding the work I was thinking about, but I did find this (unintentionally?) humorous 7xx, on a very minimal level record (OCLC #733675762):

700:1 :$a Bond, James Bond.

cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raplvZFysjU

b

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137


-----Original Message-----
From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Prochazka,David
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals ... fictitious characters

That's a good point, Adam.  So, for "Barbie in A mermaid tale 2," we'd need to create a name access point for the fictitious Barbie, since Barbie is credited as a performer.  I guess, since 'Barbie' is trademarked, it would seem to be very ill-advised for someone besides Mattel to attribute a work to Barbie.

David Procházka | Music/Special Materials Cataloger | The University of Akron | Bierce Library 261C | Akron, Ohio  44325-1712 | [log in to unmask] | 330-972-6260


-----Original Message-----
From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:27 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals ... fictitious characters

An access point for a fictitious character would only be made if the character was considered a creator or contributor to the work, not if the character is just IN the work.  There needs to be a statement of responsibility of some sort that says that the work is BY Dorothy Gale, for example.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Adam L. Schiff
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Prochazka,David wrote:

> It seems to me that a challenge with fictitious characters would be to determine whether a different author's use of a character's name is referring to the same character or to a different.  Many authors have written about Dorothy Gale, for example, but it could become onerous to try to determine an author's intent about whether they see their character as the same Dorothy Gale as the one Baum wrote about.  My gut reaction would be to avoid this slippery slope by not trying to distinguish characters who have been given the same name.
>
> David—
>
> David Procházka | Music/Special Materials Cataloger | The University 
> of Akron | Bierce Library 261C | Akron, Ohio  44325-1712 | 
> [log in to unmask] | 330-972-6260
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals: changes 
> posted
>
> I've been lying awake thinking about these changes (don't tell me none of the rest of you do this occasionally too!), and particularly the one to do with fictitious characters.  What I'm puzzling about is how in RDA we will distinguish between fictitious characters with the same preferred name.
> In LCSH, the surname of an author is frequently used for this and added to the qualifier in a single set of parentheses, e.g.
>
> Jeremiah (Fictitious character : Smith)
>
> Alonso (Fictitious character : Shakespeare)
>
> Would we be able to add an author's surname to an access point for a fictitious person, and if so, under what instruction?
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Adam L. Schiff
> Principal Cataloger
> University of Washington Libraries
> Box 352900
> Seattle, WA 98195-2900
> (206) 543-8409
> (206) 685-8782 fax
> [log in to unmask]
> http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2013, Lasater, Mary Charles wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> Thanks so much for providing this. I ‘intended’ to go through all the changes, checking for this information so you saved me lots of time.
>>
>> Just to be sure I understand, 1xx’s that use $c Ph.D. (i.e Boyd, 
>> Robert, Ph. D.) will need to be changed
>>
>> It appears that we could possible change1xx’s with M.D. to Doctor 
>> (i.e. Chen, Jun, $c M.D. )
>>
>> However, the last category that you mention:
>>
>>    Nichols, Chris (Of the North Oxford Association)
>>    Independent burgess (of Nottingham)
>>
>> These will eventually not be ok under rda--?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mary Charles
>>
>>
>> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:00 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals: changes 
>> posted
>>
>> With apologies for cross-posting, I'd like to thank Judy for her email below, and draw colleagues attention to two of the BL's proposals (BL/3 and BL/4), that are included in this update, and will appear shortly in the RDA text. They will greatly increase the range of qualifiers available to create unique authorised access points for personal names, and help expedite the elimination of undifferentiated NARs.
>>
>> This is also relevant to the decisions cataloguers take, when reviewing those NARs flagged for review under the Phase I RDA changes to LC/NAF, as many existing $c qualifiers will now be acceptable under RDA (though in some cases needing the addition of parentheses).
>>
>> The following kinds of qualifier will be available to distinguish personal name access points; they will also be recorded in MARC 21 field 368 in authority records, as and when institutions usethe field in personal NARs (I think LC have yet to implement subfield $d for NACO). I've reminded our own cataloguers that none should be recorded in MARC 21 field 374, as they are not Occupations. This list of potential examples is more extensive that that included in the RDA update.
>>
>> Terms of honour, rank or office:
>>
>>    Wood, John, Captain
>>    Appleby, Robert, Sir
>>    Abraham, Martin, Doctor
>>    Graves, Ernest, Lieutenant General
>>
>> Designations for persons named in sacred scriptures:
>>
>>    Micah (Biblical prophet)
>>    Zoram (Book of Mormon figure)
>>    Rachel (Talmudic figure)
>>    Azazael (Demon)
>>
>> Designations for fictitious and legendary characters:
>>
>>    Holmes, Sherlock (Fictitious character)
>>    Aeneas (Legendary character)
>>    Hermes (Greek deity)
>>    Garuḍa (Mythical bird)
>>
>> Designations for type, species or breed of a non-human entity:
>>
>>    Lauder Lass (Horse)
>>    Henrietta (Cat)
>>    Skipper (Spaniel)
>>    Congo (Chimpanzee)
>>
>> Other designations:
>>
>>    Woods, George (Gentleman)
>>    Jones, William (Defendant)
>>    Budd, Henry (Cree Indian)
>>    Yaśodharā (Wife of Gautama Buddha)
>>
>> RDA will also include the following as examples of "Other designations". Strictly speaking, they are really examples of Associated Institution and Place of Residence, but we were unable to get them removed from this update, so designations like this can be used in the interim as "Other designations", pending a further change proposal.
>>
>>    Nichols, Chris (Of the North Oxford Association)
>>    Independent burgess (of Nottingham)
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Richard
>>
>> _________________________
>> Richard Moore
>> Authority Control Team Manager
>> The British Library
>>
>> Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806
>> E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and 
>> Access [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of JSC 
>> Secretary
>> Sent: 11 February 2013 15:06
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [RDA-L] 2012 approved RDA proposals: changes posted
>>
>> The final versions of the proposals approved by the Joint Steering Committee for Development of RDA during and after its November 2012 meeting have been posted on the JSC web site. See the "Sec final" documents listed in the table of new working documents<http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html> or consult a specific proposal in the constituency proposals section<http://www.rda-jsc.org/working1.html#constituency>.
>>
>> If you're interested in which instructions are affected by the approved proposals, a table<http://www.rda-jsc.org/docs/2012RDAchanges.pdf> is available for your use. It lists the new, revised, or deleted instructions and indicates where changes were made (in the instruction, in the examples, or both); it also includes the JSC document number if you want to read the background and justification for the changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, Judy Kuhagen
>>
>> JSC Secretary
>>
>

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