I don't read the journal or magazine you cited.What was this 1905 record ?Roger > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:59 -0700> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] First Picture Disc> To: [log in to unmask]> > From: Thomas Stern <[log in to unmask]>> > There is an extensive series of picture discs on the French SATURN label> > - Jewish recordings, don't know if there are others.> > According to Vol 1 of The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Picture Discs by> Andre and Valerie Decerf, the 250 or so picture discs issued by Saturne> came out between 1947 and 1953. There were MANY others besides the> Jewish recordings.> > > I also see a NATIONALALER SCHALLPLATTEN 121 > > Adolf Hitler-Unser Fuhrer!Ansprache Des PG.Hinkel, M.D.R.> > Anyone know the dates of these ??? Thanks, Thomas.> > The Decerfs ignore them because they are cardboard, not shellac. Six on> thus label are listed in the "Picture Discs of the World Price Guide"> Three others on Patria may also be Nazi, as well as seven on Der Laut. > They give rough dates of 1927-1933 for all three labels as well as> several other German labels. Marc Grobman seems to be the source of> info in that book for the pre-LP portion. > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask] > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 11:02 AM> To: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] First Picture Disc> > > It all depends on what is meant by a "picture disc."> > There was a picture and write-up of probably the first such (1905, > patented) in the recent issue of APS, and already cited in PHP.> > Allen> _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > ------------> In a message dated 4/7/2013 11:04:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] writes:> > So what was the first picture disc anyway?I know there were both the > Victors and various kiddie records from 1931 on,but something tells me> they go > back before that. Roger