And don't forget the early Remington stereo recordings from November, 1953,
before RCA.  These were later reissued on stereo LP by Varese Sarabande.
 See:

http://www.soundfountain.org/rem/dongabor3.html

Best,
John Haley


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Hi Dennis:
>
> Agree about including some Blumlein, but the BBC has actually done a
> pretty good job with that history. There's a cult-fetish "argument" about
> one or the other being "first." From what I can tell, independent
> developments took place on two sides of an ocean without the developers
> talking to each other or reading each others' literature. Bell Labs made
> actual 2-channel grooved recordings first, according to all facts I've been
> able to uncover. The so-called "Accidental Stereo" stuff from EMI and Duke
> Ellington might be an interesting aside, too, as a way to demonstrate how
> two mics offer two different perspectives, whether sent to two recorded
> grooves or one recorded groove.
>
> I made a "roots of stereophony" audio CD and CDR with documentation for a
> few friends. I started with Bell Labs, then Blumlein, then the German
> stereo tape recordings during WWII, then Emery Cook (as an example of
> actual commercially-released early stereo), and Bert Whyte (as an example
> stereo experimentation circa 1952). Then RCA, Mercury, Teldec and Decca
> stereo firsts. There were other small-time players very early to the party
> with stereo tapes in the mid-50's. A good place to hear examples is Ampex's
> stereo demo tape that came with A and 900 series home machines. There was
> also a quarter-track version of the same tape, which probably came with
> 1200 series machines. There was an earlier Ampex stereo demo tape, but it
> included all or almost all exclusively RCA recording snippets; that tape
> shipped with the 2-track play-only machine built around the 600 series
> transport.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Rooney" <
> [log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:48 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Terrific 1970 Interview with Stokowski
>
>
>  Funding for such a project should be available but probably not without
>> missionary work. PBS might be a suitable outlet but they should only be
>> offered a completed program, fully funded. Otherwise, as you suggest, the
>> chances of something good originating there is doubtful, to say the least.
>>
>> This technical milestone has interested engineers of my acquaintance for
>> more than fifty years. While focussing on WECO, at least a "sidebar"
>> should
>> discuss the coeval research by Blumlein and the audible products of it.
>>
>> DDR
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>**
>> wrote:
>>
>>  As I mentioned, this is something that should be taken on my the LOC or
>>> Smithsonian. I bet that if they asked, the current AT&T and perhaps some
>>> other descendants of the Bell System would put up some of the funding. It
>>> should be offered to all Americans as downloads, with extra charged for
>>> physical CDs. ARSC or the AESHC should offer to help organize the process
>>> and approach the telcos for some funding. There might be a PBS
>>> documentary
>>> in it too, although that place is a hornet's nest of politics and
>>> feifdoms
>>> so it's probably easier just to deal with the LOC or Smithsonian
>>> Folkways,
>>> Ward Marston and the telcos. The Prelingers may well be willing to put up
>>> some money, as might Steve Wozniak, if they were asked. So might hte
>>> Packard Foundation, for that matter. The recordings, especially all of
>>> the
>>> early stereophony experiments, are a major part of American technical
>>> history. WECO basically invented and enabled what was modern recording
>>> (first, electrical recording, then stereophony and practical stereo
>>> recording for a grooved disk). Throw in the fact that Stokowski is
>>> involved
>>> and it gets very interesting, and not just for collectors of obscura.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "[log in to unmask]" <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Terrific 1970 Interview with Stokowski
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ward has been talking about this for a long time, but I'm afraid there
>>> is
>>>
>>>> only so much one man can do (and make a living too).
>>>>
>>>> joe salerno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/10/2013 6:07 PM, Karl Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Sent: Wed, April 10, 2013 4:03:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Terrific 1970 Interview with Stokowski
>>>>>
>>>>> I recall Ward Marston telling us at his talk at ARSC-NY that he
>>>>> intended
>>>>> to
>>>>> revisit and redo those Bell Labs recordings, and as Mike said, he
>>>>> played
>>>>> us
>>>>> a sample as redone.  The LP's might have been his first big restoration
>>>>> project.  I recall there was an issue getting the timing of the two
>>>>> channels exactly together.  That is of course much easier to do on the
>>>>> computer today.  I hope he will redo those items.
>>>>>
>>>>> ********************
>>>>> Due to my interest in odd ball repertoire, I had a recent exchange with
>>>>> Ward
>>>>> about those recordings...I was looking for Stokowski doing the
>>>>> Lopatnikoff 1st
>>>>> Symphony. He said something to the effect that he wanted to redo them.
>>>>> When I
>>>>> asked him when...he said...well....
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>> Joe Salerno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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