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Subject:

Re: Sticky SHRED

From:

"Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 1 Apr 2013 16:05:48 -0400

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Hi, Shai,

I do not find it alarming either (though you didn't ask me <smile>).

We have a benchmark that 30 days is needed and is effective for some 
instrumentation tapes, but they:
  (a) were exposed to ocean breezes prior to recording
  (b) are on 14- or 15-inch reels
  (c) are on Corning precision glass reels with NO WINDOWS (and very 
little space between the tape pack and flange)
  (d) are one-inch wide
  (e) are very long tapes (with thinner-than-audio oxide) running at 
least 9600 feet per reel and some longer, I think

I will find it alarming when I NEED to bake 15 days or so to get good 
results on normal audio reels. I feel we still have a lot of baking 
"headroom" left based on Stuart Rohre's findings from University of 
Texas, Arlington, experience with the instrumentation tapes.

Cheers,

Richard

On 2013-04-01 4:32 PM, Shai Drori wrote:
> Hi Marie
> Do you find this as alarming as I have that baking times have risen so 
> high in the last few years? My record was set last year with Ampex 480 
> quarter inch 2500' tapes needing 5 days to be playable. Really slowed 
> down operations.
> Cheers
> Shai
> בתאריך 01/04/13 9:15 PM, ציטוט Marie O'Connell:
>> I agree with Richard.  I have seen quite a bit of this recently with 
>> Ampex
>> 456.  And it does make a real mess.  I am also finding BASF and AGFA 
>> doing
>> this too.  They all appear to be slightly too wide for the tape path.
>>
>> I have been baking for much longer periods also, 3 days would be 
>> normal for
>> me now.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Richard L. Hess 
>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Curtis,
>>>
>>> I've been baking longer, but edge shedding as you describe is common if
>>> the tape is slit a bit wide (hard to measure, but that is why the 
>>> event is
>>> so random--it might be one reel out of a jumbo roll where the slitting
>>> blades were mis-adjusted).
>>>
>>> I don't think 24 hours (my norm these days) would show a difference 
>>> as I
>>> saw this off some 1/2-inch 456 just recently, but it was only the edge.
>>>
>>> It is frightening, but I'd just vacuum up the little hairs and be done
>>> with it. Remember, those are about a mil wide and you're dealing with
>>> nominally 82-mil (minimum spec'd is 75 mil from Ampex) track width that
>>> doesn't even go completely to the edge, so you probably don't have any
>>> sound on the little hairs. (I did want to write "hares" in honour of 
>>> the
>>> season. <smile>)
>>>
>>> I would check for debris in the corners of the guides (where the face
>>> meets the top and bottom caps) which can exacerbate this hair-shred 
>>> but,
>>> overall, if it's coming just from the edges, I think you're safe.
>>>
>>> I see 456 doing this more (though I've seen it more on 1/2-inch than
>>> 1/4-inch). It has also happened on Agfa and BASF, but not regularly.
>>>
>>> I don't have this variant specifically listed, but you might find this
>>> resource of use:
>>> http://richardhess.com/notes/**formats/magnetic-media/**
>>> magnetic-tapes/analog-audio/**degrading-tapes/<http://richardhess.com/notes/formats/magnetic-media/magnetic-tapes/analog-audio/degrading-tapes/> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-04-01 12:10 PM, Peoples, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>> I believe the tape is Ampex 456, not positive though. The studio
>>>> generally bought Ampex 456 tape. It is a ten inch, quarter inch 
>>>> reel (two
>>>> track master recording). For this collection, we bake 8 hours at 130
>>>> degrees. We have found this to be a suitable process for this 
>>>> collection.
>>>>   The shredding appears to be from the edges. We are transferring on a
>>>> relatively new Otari MX 5050. The machine was cleaned so I don't 
>>>> have pics
>>>> of the shred. They are usually about 3 inches long before breaking 
>>>> and are
>>>> about the thickness of fine hair.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Curtis
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
>>>> [log in to unmask]**GOV <[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of
>>>> Richard L. Hess
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:48 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sticky SHRED
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Curtis,
>>>>
>>>> Please provide specifics as to type of tape, width, reel type, baking
>>>> process and duration.
>>>>
>>>> Also photographs are really useful.
>>>>
>>>> Is the shredding from the edges only or across the entire width of the
>>>> tape?
>>>>
>>>> What is the playback machine?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-04-01 10:35 AM, Peoples, Curtis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a collection of tapes that have sticky shed and we are baking
>>>>> and transferring them. Things are going as planned except for one 
>>>>> tape. It
>>>>> is shredding into fine hair like stands. I thought it needed to be 
>>>>> baked
>>>>> longer so I baked it a second time. Same problem. I have seen tape 
>>>>> shed
>>>>> before and this looks different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help identifying the problem is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Curtis L. Peoples, Ph.D.
>>>>> Associate Archivist, Crossroads Music Archive,
>>>>> www.crossroadsofmusic.ttu.edu<**http://www.crossroadsofmusic.**ttu.edu/<http://www.crossroadsofmusic.ttu.edu/> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Unit Head, Crossroads Recording Studio,
>>>>> http://library.ttu.edu/**crossroadsrecordingstudio/<http://library.ttu.edu/crossroadsrecordingstudio/> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Director, TTU Americana Ensemble,
>>>>> http://ttuamericanaensemble.**weebly.com/index.html<http://ttuamericanaensemble.weebly.com/index.html> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Contact Info:
>>>>> Southwest Collection, Texas Tech University P. O. Box 41041 Lubbock,
>>>>> Texas 79409-1041
>>>>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> TEL: 806-742-3749 ext. 278
>>>>> FAX: 806-742-0496
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Richard L. Hess                   email: [log in to unmask]
>>> Aurora, Ontario, Canada                             647 479 2800
>>> http://www.richardhess.com/**tape/contact.htm<http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm> 
>>>
>>> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>>>
>

-- 
Richard L. Hess                   email: [log in to unmask]
Aurora, Ontario, Canada                             647 479 2800
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.

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