I think that "roulette records" is a name that Aardvark Records made up
themselves, not knowing that they have been called "Puzzle Records" for
at least 112 years. And also not realizing that there was an actual
record company Roulette Records -- and considering its Mafia
connections, you did not mess with Roulette Records in the 50s and 60s!
I've been looking for my Koenigsberg Patents book that I think shows the
patent for puzzle discs to get the patent date, but I know I've also
seen the patent elsewhere.
Here is a youtube of one of the more common ones, actually called Puzzle
Record, an HMV master seen here on a Victor pressing.
One of the comments mentions a 12-inch acoustical one called The
Conundrum 35229 which came out in the mid-teens and is described in the
Victor catalogs as a puzzle record. Two people here (unfortunately)
play it on acousical machines. This is the Victor issue:
He gives uop after three of the 4 tracks, but here are all four played
from the original HMV issue on an EMG, complete with some droll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFvqcvuLJg He gets all four tracks.
And last but not least, here is the Berliner Puzzle Plate, January 21,
1901. I'm not sure if this is the first one, but it shows the use of the
name Puzzle since 1901. British Berliner called their records
I wish he learned how to macro focus his camera so we could see the
Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Homokord triple groove record
From: Timothy Wisniewski <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Mon, August 05, 2013 12:31 pm
To: [log in to unmask]
Is there a technical difference between a puzzle record and a roulette
record? Or is it more of "puzzle record" being a specific genre term vs.
roulette being a technical/form term for the multiple groove cutting
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Actually they are called Puzzle Records, not Roulette, and they date
> back as far as the 1890s with an example on Berliner Records. Over on
> the facebook "78 rpm records & cylinders fan group" two or three weeks
> ago we had postings of the labels of about a dozen of these from the
> collection of Curt Angstman who says he has over 40 of them on 78.
> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
> From: Ellis Burman <[log in to unmask]>
> > I was first introduced to this concept with Monty Python's "3 sided
> > "Matching Tie and Handkerchief". It had two grooves on one side. Ellis
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Timothy Wisniewski <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> I believe these are known as roulette records. The amazing folks at
> >> Aardvark Record Mastering in Denver can cut one with up to 40 grooves
> >> you if you so desire. http://aardvarkmastering.com/specialcuts.htm
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Cthurb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>> There were several variations on this type of record, for example horse
> >>> race and children's stories. I have a few but without knowing the
> >>> I probably could not find any of them. I think most of these were from
> >>> the late 1930s and 1940s Cheryl Thurber
> > >
> On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Dan Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>> There was a Victor "Novelty Record", with music by Ray Noble I
> >>>> believe that had 3 grooves inside each other. dnward
> On Fri, 8/2/13, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > Many years ago, when I was working for Club 99, I saw a
> > > > 78rpm record which had 3 sets of grooves on it, and,
> > > > depending on where you placed the stylus at the outer edge,
> > > > you would get one of three selections, but you'd never know
> > > > which selection you would get. I think it was a
> > > > Homokord. Does anyone have one of those they can spare? I
> > > > would hope to buy it. I need it as part of an exhibition of
> > > > vintage sound media and sound equipment.
> > > > Please ping me offline.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. Regards, Ben Roth
Timothy Wisniewski, M.L.I.S.
Visual Materials Archivist
Alan Mason Chesney Medical Archives
Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
5801 Smith Avenue, Suite 235
Baltimore, MD 21209