LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.0

Help for ARSCLIST Archives


ARSCLIST Archives

ARSCLIST Archives


ARSCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Monospaced Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST  August 2013

ARSCLIST August 2013

Subject:

Re: NYPL sells the vinyl collection -- I'm serious

From:

Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:40:05 -0400

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (120 lines)

To me, digital has gotten good enough that I'm more inclined to seek out the
beer coaster version than a fuzzy wobble. (I have no 78s.) Fifteen years
ago, it was the other way around. My virtual, hard-drive collection gets as
much casual use as the other two, LPs and CDs, combined. But, if I need
something to read, I'll grab a LP or CD to have the texts. Given a tablet
and digital text, however, I might not do that. Whether younger people, who
are more accustomed to having everything reside on a screen, will find
that's all they need, or not, I'm curious to know. Will, maybe, the creepy
threats of total information awareness drive a wedge between citizens and
their beloved gadgets? Will the draconian over-reach of IP owners and
service providers encourage a revaluation of the tangible, actual, personal,
and permanent; things that still exist when off the grid and without
batteries, where the question of ownership isn't provisional? Will values
shift from unlimited consumption to the glorification of the limited select,
and make the unlimited capacity of digital devices less relevant than the
bandwagon assumes?

We collectors aren't typical, so we have to be careful about extending our
way of thinking to everybody else. I'm going to guess that consumption will
continue its split between those who are not materialistic when it comes to
music, and those who in some fashion are. Radio and streaming services will
work for the former, new and pre-existing stuff will be for those who must
possess. I wouldn't bet on that latter impulse going away; not for a
population that is in so many ways being gradually dispossessed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Clark Johnsen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] NYPL sells the vinyl collection -- I'm serious

Quite right you are -- there will soon be a swell of used CDs owing to
downloading and streaming. One must wonder though whether there will be a
backlash similar to that with LPs, wherein former owners regretted making
the switch to CD and had to repurchase their vinyl collections.

Lucky me, a house that ably holds 15K LPs and 30K 78s. Music in every room!

clark



On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Try this on: a collection of classical records was, for those of a
> certain age, a way of honoring a body of art that we respected and
> which also reflected a positive glow onto our self-images of being
> cultured, hip people. A remembrance of a time before public libraries,
> when the gentry had the books and shared their largess with those
> commoners whom they found worthy. Now it could be yours, timeless
> music, treated with care; not scratched up, passť, or otherwise
> disposable. So, we built it up with care and devotion, holding on to
> our collections until some change was forced on
> us: moving, downsizing, loss of independence, or death. Many holdings
> went off to other, somewhat younger, collectors, who are now repeating
> that cycle with even bigger, aggregated collections. We're now into a
> third or fourth generation for whom this accumulation is possible, now
> at lower cost in part because there is less demand.
>
> With perspective, we see a lot of the major label catalogs as being
> contractual obligation product, not really all that historically
necessary.
> Plus, classical produced tons of reissues, attempts to squeeze a
> little more cash flow out of the back-catalogs, now simply redundant.
> You can guess what percentage of a random stack of classical albums is
> likely worth
> owning: maybe 5%? Probably higher from a good collection, but some you
> will already own. Even without the new formats, there is just more out
> there than can be digested.
>
> We're seeing a third wave of classical LPs washing up on a lonely
> shore, the first being from those who around 1990 'converted' to CD.
> It promises to be a tsunami. (Followed eventually by an ocean of
> unwanted CDs.) In my case, my older brother will leave to me his 5 or
> 6 thousand albums (unless he cleans house), and that would be added to
> my 4 thousand, crowding our little house, which I already have a hard
> time justifying. And there's my friend in Syracuse, who has a smaller
> but very select assemblage, who can't find anybody to take it on. My
> buddy who runs a very good record store has been choking on classical
> and doesn't want any more. Meanwhile, my digital holdings are growing,
> with each addition making the likelihood of any particular LP being played
that much lower.
>
> Is it cool to see something talked about on the ARSC list, like the
> very early stereo recording of The Origin of Fire, and be able to pull
> it off the shelf and put it on? Yeah, serendipity is what makes having
> a collection fun. But, it's kind of silly, too. Ray Davies called it
> plastic-wear. We may love it, but if it's not unique it's just stuff,
> like all the other crap we've loaded up the planet with.
>
> We built these collections because we could. Ah, the burdens of wealth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] NYPL sells the vinyl collection -- I'm serious
>
> Just wondering why there is so much classical to be had.
>
> Is this because:
>
> So much classical has been re-released on CD?
>
> Classical collectors are an older lot and prefer the simplicity of a
> CD player?
>
> Classical collectors are quicker to adopt new & better sounding formats?
>
> Is classical less collectible than other genres?
>
> Of course all of these questions are certainly arguable.
>
> I'm just wondering.
>
> joe salerno
>

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTSERV.LOC.GOV

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager