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Re: MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7

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"Balster, Kevin" <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 19 Aug 2013 16:00:11 +0000

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Hello all,

Thank you for the great suggestions. We will be sure to update the examples and include a brief footnote describing past practice.

-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Les Hawkins
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 12:07 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7

Hello all,

Module 7.2 shows image examples of the different types of variant titles that we still give (parallel title, running title etc.) although we would code the 246 fields differently. I like the idea of retaining the examples of the various types and updating 246 indicators in the record examples to current practice.

I agree with Steven's suggestion of using the CEG for noting past MARC coding practice rather than Module 22. This is also a good example of the type of CEG revision that your group may run into and will need to track for your report.

I think also in this case it probably would not hurt to add a very brief footnote in CCM Module 7.2 pointing out that past practice was to use the list of 2nd indicator values found in the MARC 21 format. --Les






On Fri, 16 Aug 2013, Riel, Steven wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Module 22 does not focus much on MARC coding.  It focuses more on changes in the cataloging codes and the data content.
> 
> I was thinking about whether the CEG is a good place for historical information about CONSER-specific past practice using MARC.  I just looked at the CEG instructions for the 037 field.  At the bottom it says:
> 
> Maintenance of CONSER records
> Fields 265 and 350 will remain valid on OCLC for some time.  Catalogers need not change these records to move data to field 037.
> 
> Is this what we need for the 246?
> 
> Steven
> 
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Rendall
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:28 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7
> 
> We've been changing our practices in different areas so frequently lately, and are likely enough to continue doing so, that the CCM could easily become overloaded with information about former practices.  If we have to have footnotes, I hope we keep them as brief and general as possible ("formerly, more specific indicators were used").
> 
> Robert.
> 
> On 8/16/2013 2:09 PM, Dickerson, Eugene H wrote:
> I think that if former cataloging practices are retained for historical purposes, they should really be in the module to which they pertain rather than in a module that’s just about former practices.  (You’d have to realize that it’s a former practice in order to consult a module on former practices!  If you’re a new RDA cataloger who never used AACR2 or earlier codes, how would you know that?)  I’d hate to see the CCM follow the model of the RDA Toolkit for endless links resulting in incessant clicking (often with no useful result).  I think that the context of the former practice is useful (e.g. former practice about use of indicator values for variant titles is important to have when talking about variant titles).  If information on the former practices is retained, I’d suggest the footnote approach that Mary mentioned.
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> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ed Jones
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7
> 
> Or maybe include in module 22, with a footnote pointing from here to there? It looks like module 22 would be a good place for older MARC practice as well as older cataloging practice.
> 
> Ed
> 
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Grenci
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:15 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7
> 
> Move the old practice to a footnote.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
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> V]> On Behalf Of Ed Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:17 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7
> 
> I would remove all mention. Best not to leave any evidence at the crime scene.
> 
> Ed
> 
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Balster, Kevin
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:30 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [PCCTG1] MARC coding for variant titles in CCM Module 7
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> While revising Module 7, we editors have run into an issue regarding coding for the indicators of field 246. Currently, the content and examples of Module 7 (most frequently seen in section 7.2) offer guidance on when to use specific indicators in field 246, including second indicator 4 for cover title and 6 for caption title. However, according to the CONSER MARC-to-RDA Core Elements document, current CONSER practice is to code all variant titles as 246 1# or 246 11 for parallel titles.
> 
> We’ve thought about handling this in one of two ways. We could either simply remove any mention of indicators that aren’t 246 1# or 246 11, or we could keep the information on the additional indicators, and add something stating that current practice is to use 246 1# or 246 11. Before we commit to one of the methods, we thought that we’d get a sense of how other CONSER members would like this situation to be handled.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Kevin
> 
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