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Re: Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play

From:

Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>

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Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:56:17 -0700

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I think that was a one off, since that occurred because I forwarded something from an email, added to it and didn't delete the prior heading.  Check the heading on this one to see if it's correct.

Thanks for your concern.

Rod


________________________________
 From: Lou Judson <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
 

Rod, here is what the headers to your emails look like:

    From:     Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>
    Subject:     Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
    Date:     September 26, 2013 5:01:29 PM PDT
    To:     Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
    Reply-To:     Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>

See how it says "reply to" yourself? That is something only you can change; whether in your email program or on the yahoo site I don't know, but it is you, my friend, who can do it. As Smokey the Bear used to say, "Only YOU..."

<L>
Lou Judson
Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Roderic G Stephens wrote:

> If I was sending my email to myself, this reply won't make it to the list.  Let me know if something has gone wrong with my email addressing.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Donald Tait <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:43 PMIf I was 
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
> 
> 
>    I prepared this message and posted it, only to find (to my dismay) that I overlooked the fact that Roderic has his messages set up to reply only to him, not the ARSClist.
> 
>   Here is what I posted. I hope everyone gets it now.
> 
>   Don Tait
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Tait <[log in to unmask]>
> To: savecal <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 2:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
> 
> 
>   Yes, the first LPs were indeed mono-only. Stereo LPs were first issued in the USA by Audio Fidelity toward the end of 1957. As I recall, it was only in that year that the Westrex 45/45 stereo gtoove-cutting system was agreed upon as the industry standard for stereo records. Stereo LPs in the UK commenced the next year. Recording masters in stereo was begun on a sporadic basis by a few companies in 1953.
> 
>   In the years after 1949, there were an enormous number of classical 7" 45s. RCA Victor, which championed the format, also issued the majority of its classical releases in 45-rpm sets or on singles. Some other companies did too -- particularly Capitol. The Victor singles could be either "standard play" (about 4-4-1/2" per side, like a 12" 78 single) or, beginning around 1954, "extended play" (circa 7 to 8" per side). (I have about 200,of the sets here, but no one seems to want any of them.) EMI and Decca issued many 7" classical 45 singles in the UK, many of them EPs (extended-play), in some cases titles that were never released on LP, and, indeed, some in stereo in 1958 and for a brief time thereafter. 
> 
>   I own a fair number of UK HMV classical 7" 45 "EPs." Some contain musically fascinating things. However, the sound is sometimes so bass-shy -- due, I wonder, to the equalization used during the preparation of the masters? -- that there is virtually nothing audible below the violas and the high woodwinds and brass. And the triangle. Of course, less bass ensured a narrower groove-path, which meant more playing time on the record. Another reason to have flexible tone controls.
> 
>   I have written this "off the top of my head," so I apologize for any factual errors.
> 
>   Don Tait
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>
> To: ARSCLIST <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
> 
> 
> One thing I may have missed in this discussion was the fact that the first LPs, 
> to my knowledge, were MONO.  I'm not sure when the stereo LP started, but I 
> would guess that would have been in the early '50s with the beginning of Ampex 
> other magnetic recorders used for mastering.  I also mean't to mention that my 
> collection of those early 7" LPs introduced me to Chabrier's "Joyous 
> March/Marche Joyeuse", so I was wrong that the 7"ers weren't just pop releases. 
> Another "classic" mono pop album that recognized the desire by Hi-Fi addicts 
> for better sound was the Epic release of LG 1019, "'Middlebrow' Music for the 
> Hi-Fi Fan with The Kermit Leslie Orchestra".  Many of these tracks were used by 
> DJ's as opening music for some of their daily shows.  At the bottom of the back 
> of the sleeve is another revealing promotional by Columbia/Epic and recognition 
> of the those Hi-Fi "Bugs".  "Have you heard the New EPIC Classics?  Featuring 
> remarkable RADIAL
> SOUND ... a new standard of HIGH FIDELITY excellence."  And, stereo just around 
> the corner.  What wonders awaited those of us with Hi-Fi rigs and magnetic tape 
> recorders!
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Roderic G Stephens <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
> 
> 
> I have in my collection these two 10" LPs: (From Wikipedia) In the Wee Small 
> Hours was issued as two 10-inch LP discs, and also as one 12-inch record LP, 
> making it one of the first of its kind. It was also issued as four four–song 
> 45-rpm EP discs sold in cardboard sleeves with the same cover as the LPs, not in 
> paper covers like 45-rpm singles. "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" is 
> a1955 popular song composed by David Mann, with lyrics by Bob Hilliard. It was 
> introduced as the title track of Frank Sinatra's 1955 album In the Wee Small 
> Hours.  In addition, I also have a couple of 10" Ima Sumac albums of the same 
> era from Capitol.  Also, it should be mentioned that Columbia put out 7" LPs of 
> pop releases which I guess were to complete with the 45 RPM disks.  So, there 
> are quite a few variations on the theme of different sized disks, formats and 
> speeds.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Randy Watts <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Inquiry: Demise of the 10" Long Play
> 
> 
> I'm not at home to check, but I'm pretty certain that "The Passions" was issued 
> circa late 1953/early. 1954.
> 
> Randy
> 
> ------------------------------
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:37 PM CDT David Lewis wrote:
> 
>> Dr. B. once posted a comment whereby the Schwann Guide stopped listing the
>> 10" LPs in 1958. Also, Bas Sheva/Les Baxter's "The Passions" was released
>> in '58 as well. So I've always felt '58 was the date. And latter day 10"
>> are not unheard of -- Sony had a whole series of them in the early 80s of
>> New Wave
>> rock titles, and the EP by The Hard Nips on MixPak was a 10" 45 rpm issued
>> in 2011.
>> 
>> Waldorf Music Hall ceased their 10" Top Hits Series in 1957.
>> 
>> Uncle Dave Lewis
>> Cincinnati, OH
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Cthurb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> A number of indie bands issued 10" vinyl in the 1990s and in fact that has
>> continued, small number of copies.
>> But generally it was mid 1950s, with very few after 1955.
>> 
>> Cheryl Thurber
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Jim Sam <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Capitol Records issued at least one album on 10", 33RPM vinyl in the
>> 1990s
>>> for promotional purposes.  The example I know is Triple Fast Action's
>>> Broadcaster album on three 10" discs.  example (not endorsement of the
>>> auction):
>>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TripleFastAction-Broadcaster-3x10-LP-/161110094136?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2582e8f138
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Although I have German and British stereo 10" Lps, the format was
>>> essentially obsolete in the US by 1956. When it introduced the Lp in
>> 1948,
>>> Columbia assumed that the 10" size would be used predominately for
>> popular
>>> issues or classical material of shorter duration. The two diameters had
>>> been standard since 1910 so retailers were used to handling them.
>> However,
>>> buyers came to prefer the 12" disc because it held more and any price
>>> distinction between the two formats meant little to US buyers, although
>>> Europeans were more sensitive to cost. A major factor was the high
>> impact
>>> cover of a 12" Lp, which gave added appeal to the cover design.
>>> 
>>> DDR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Martin Fisher <[log in to unmask]
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> 
>>> The following question has been asked by a teaching colleague:
>>> 
>>> "When exactly did record companies/labels stop issuing 10 inch LPs in
>>> favor of the 12 inch format and why was the change made."
>>> 
>>> I realize that there are a myriad of reasons as long as a Santa list
>> and
>>> that the switch was not simultaneous for all labels and size of the
>>> issued
>>> disc also depended on the amount of material that was to be issued and
>>> both
>>> sizes were issued by the same label depending on this criteria.
>>> 
>>> He's really looking for information from printed sources so that's the
>>> first priority........but........in lieu of printed documentation he
>> may
>>> be
>>> satisfied with expert testimony by an "authority" on the subject so
>> here
>>> may be your chance to shine.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help!  :)
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 1006 Langer Way
>>> Delray Beach, FL 33483
>>> 212.874.9626
>>> 
>> 
> 

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