I totally agree with you on that count. The hypocrisy of folks in this country regarding the Russian stance and the US version is appalling. Now THAT is a conversation I would like to have.
Alan Carrier
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ascribe typos to autocorrect.
> On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have - it's open on the WSJ site. It isn't clear to me what in the
> piece he was commenting on. If anything was offensive to me, it was the
> typical mass-media hypocrisy, wagging a finger at an official enemy state,
> suggesting that their politics is black and white while ours is a perfect
> rainbow. Disappointing, as I usually admire Teachout's work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Smolian
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] HI!
>
> I can't spend the time digging it out, but I think the unfortanely shared
> post was in response to an article cited therein. Has anyone of the
> responders read the article in question? It's possible this was a response
> to an observation in that article.
>
> Steven Smolian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of HistorischeAufnahmen
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] HI!
>
> Donald - over the years I have always appreciated your insight, humor and
> curmudgeonlyness both on this, the Mahler (and symphony share) lists. But
> this time I think you are fatally mistaken. This kind of speech mirrors
> behavior and that behavior leads to actions. I don't have a thin skin,
> after 25 years in the theatre you learn to deal, however I will call someone
> out on their ignorant hateful speech.
>
> Remember the word fag when you hear about Mathew Shepard, when you hear
> about the increase in bullying and the massive increase in teen suicide.
> THAT word directly leads to those behaviors just as nigger leads to lynching
> and kike to concentration camps.
>
> Alan Carrier
> Seattle
>
> Sent from my iphone so please
> ascribe typos to autocorrect.
>
>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Donald Clarke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> We don't know that the original poster is a bigot. We have too many 'n'
> words. A dear woman of my acquaintance has always had a lot of gay friends
> and laughingly calls herself a 'fag hag'. A gay person on a chat list once
> got sore at me and called me a 'breeder'. (I think I was supposed to be
> insulted.) One of our colleagues has just been showing us all what a thin
> skin he has, and how much we have changed since ethnic humor (for example)
> was taken for granted and enjoyed by everyone 100 years ago.
>>
>> Donald Clarke
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Clark Johnsen wrote:
>>
>> "The original poster erred in voicing his opinion." Quelle horreur! In
>> today's correct society one must *never* do that.
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Malcolm Rockwell
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> I realized immediately that the original poster erred in voicing his
>>> opinion, no matter how tasteful or distasteful, on the ARSCLIST. But
>>> things won't be changed by censoring him, and his attitude won't
>>> change by yelling at him, either. I think the original comment was
>>> meant to be private, and he somehow managed to post it to us "publicly."
>>> This doesn't excuse his limitations. In my OPINION he has the right
>>> to be a bigot. Just not here.
>>> Malcolm
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2013 5:23 AM, HistorischeAufnahmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And your thoughts on the email that prompted my "beyond the pale"
>>>> response? Was that also beyond the pale or did you have no issue
>>>> with the "fag" comment? Had Rooney said "cunt" instead would you
>>>> have been more inclined to respond? This kind of bigotry needs to be
>>>> ruthlessly called out PUBLICLY.by not calling him out on his
>>>> homophobia you are implicitly agreeing with it. My response is
>>>> merely an equal strike back at it. I would say it was more upsetting
>>>> when placed within what has been for the most part civil and
>>>> professional discussions but that too gives that kind of behavior a
>>>> nod
> to being ok in other instances. It isn't. Not ever.
>>>>
>>>> Alan carrier
>>>> Seattle
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iphone so please
>>>> ascribe typos to autocorrect.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Annie Valliere <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Folks;
>>>>>
>>>>> This email is beyond the pale!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am guessing this is not what you want on ARSCLIST.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Annie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "HistorischeAufnahmen"
>>>>> <historische.aufnahmen.post@**GMAIL.COM<historische.aufnahmen.post@
>>>>> GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:39:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] HI!
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially since the "fags" receiving this might think you are the
>>>>> asshole donkey Irishman your words prove.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Carrier
>>>>> Seattle
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iphone so please
>>>>> ascribe typos to autocorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:38 AM, David Breneman
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You guys might want to take exchange this to personal email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Breneman [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:22 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] HI!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Lew,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the note. I hope you and Sally had a wonderful time in
>>>>>>> Italy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is being written on my new MacBook Pro, which has Garage
>>>>>>> Band. I will be arriving in NYC about the 6th and will remain
>>>>>>> until the end of the month, so we can certainly visit and perhaps
>>>>>>> do a podcast. Maybe I could do one with Seth per your earlier
>>>>>>> suggestion, or else something "entirely different". Who knows?
>>>>>>> Sedge may even find a way to tear himself away for a threesome.
>>>>>>> but we all know how time-consuming it is to write about dead dogs
>>>>>>> and live concerts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you see the WSJ, go to the inside back page of the arts
>>>>>>> section and read Terry Teachout's unfortunate weigh-in on the fag
>>>>>>> fracas abd the Met.
>>>>>>> He's
>>>>>>> entitled to his opinions, except for calling the Met the world's
>>>>>>> greatest opera company. I don't think Putin will quake in his
>>>>>>> boots over that one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DDR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Lew Smoley <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Dennis,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just wanted to say hello and hope that your getting this done
>>>>>>>> down there with a little time for relaxation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sedge tells me you may be up here in October. Please let me know
>>>>>>>> when so that we can get together. Possibly, you may be
>>>>>>>> interested in putting another panel together. I know that Sedge
>>>>>>>> is off on his MA & blog
>>>>>>> stuff,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but we could give him the option & go it with just the two of us
>>>>>>>> if he
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 1006 Langer Way
>>>>>>> Delray Beach, FL 33483
>>>>>>> 212.874.9626
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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