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ARSCLIST December 2013

Subject:

Re: Wet playback of discs.

From:

Steve Greene <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:21:59 -0500

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I had always heard that they were acetate, but you're probably right. I
don't think I've every seen a Voicewriter, Audograph or Soundscriber with
vinegar syndrome.

Steve

Steve Greene
Audiovisual Archivist
Office of Presidential Libraries
National Archives and Records Administration
(301) 837-1772


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The Edison Voicewriter Discs, and probably most of the others like the
> Gray and Soundscriber, and Dictabelts, are vinyl, not acetate.
>
>
> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>
>   -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wet playback of discs.
>  From: Steve Greene <[log in to unmask]>
>  Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 8:52 am
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>
>  Years ago, I played around with cleaning Edison Voicewriter discs (red
>  acetate dictation discs about the size of 45) by immersing them in
>  deionized water and Photo-Flo. After an hour, I gently scrubbed them
> along
>  the grooves with a soft sable brush and decades old fingerprints lifted
> off
>  like translucent scabs). After drying 24 hours on acid-free blotter
> paper,
>  I was able to make a good playback pass. Not sure I'd have the gumption
> to
>  try something like that today, knowing what we know now about the
> effects
>  of humidity on acetate.
>
>  Steve
>
>  Steve Greene
>  Audiovisual Archivist
>  Office of Presidential Libraries
>  National Archives and Records Administration
>  (301) 837-1772
>
>
>  On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM, [log in to unmask] <
>  [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  > I have had the same experience with lacquers. Play them wet, then see
> if
>  > there is not a glob of your record clinging to your stylus. The
> record will
>  > never play properly again unless you wet it, and thus remove more of
> the
>  > lacquer. So you lose record and stylus.
>  >
>  > I have often wondered if there is some liquid that can be used for
> playing
>  > a lacquer or shellac 78 to reduce surface noise without damage to
> either
>  > record or stylus.
>  >
>  > IIRC, Seth once said at a conference presentation that he had applied
>  > pinch roller cleaner to a problem transcription and the results he
>  > demonstrated proved his point. However, that was to a problem point
> on the
>  > record, so I don't know if it was intended to reduce surface noise as
> much
>  > as clean that problem area.
>  >
>  > joe salerno
>  >
>  >
>  > On 12/18/2013 3:05 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>  >
>  >> You cannot play shellac records wet, or even damp. Shellac discs
> will
>  >> eventually dissolve in water, and by playing them wet you are
> allowing
>  >>
>  >> the stylus to gouge out some nice soft shellac. Once played wet a
>  >> shellac record will never play properly dry again.
>  >>
>  >> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>  >>
>  >
>

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