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ARSCLIST February 2014

Subject:

Re: Record (LP) shelving

From:

Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:29:43 -0500

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Back before this sort of thing cost a fortune, my brother got a bunch of very nice hard-plywood 
shelves made by a guy with a shop down near Canal Street in NYC. Now I'm sure the real estate where 
the shop was is worth a fortune, and the last time I checked pricing on custom-made shelving it was 
$$$$.

My compromise -- which now houses all of my jazz records and about 1/3 of my classical records --  
are the cheap pine cubes you find at Michael's and AC Moore shops. If you wait for a coupon combined 
with a sale, they can be had very cheap. They are sturdy and can be stacked successfully (I have 
them stacked to the ceiling with my jazz records, 3 abreast). Beware that the width measurement is 
open to interpretation by whatever Chinese factory is putting them together this week, so some 
shelves work very well sideways and some don't. The way I had good success with my jazz records was 
three 3x1 shelves next to each other on the floor, with a well-made 3x1 sideways on top of them, and 
then three 2x1's on top of that. They go up to about 6.75 feet, which is high as I'd want any record 
shelf (I'm 6 feet tall, and I like to be able to reach and view spines on the top shelves without a 
ladder). That's 18 cubes, each approximately 12.5" wide, so 18.75 linear feet of storage.

For the cubes housing part of my classical collection, they needed to sit on top of 2-drawer file 
cabinets. I re-purposed an old cubicle surface that was headed for the dumpster, and cut it to size 
to sit on top of the file cabinets (my theory is that this spreads the stress points evenly across 
the decent-grade but not super-grade steel). Then I got really lucky when my wife brought home three 
3x1 cubes that were all 12.7 inches wide. This allowed me to stack them on their sides, which again 
makes a larger unified contact area over which to spread the weight (I'm not a physicist, so I can't 
tell you that this was best practice, but it resulted in very stable shelves and the file cabinets 
are so far showing now signs of buckling under the weight). So that's 9 cubes, about 9.2 linear feet 
total.

I hate to admit this, but those two shelves house less than half of my records! Sheesh.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julian Antos" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Record (LP) shelving


> When I worked at a record store we had a customer whose expedit shelf
> collapsed upon itself. He was so frustrated that he decided to sell his
> entire record collection!
>
> I had one of these for a while and it was fine, but I think of these as
> placeholders until you find something nicer (i.e. made of real wood).
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> I've never had good luck with heavy weight on the composite shelves with
>> the metal frames sold by Home Despot and Lowes. However, it only costs a
>> little bit extra to buy a sheet of plywood at the same store and have them
>> cut to the exact dimensions of the shelves. I recommend 3/4" decent grade
>> plywood to hold the weight of LP records. I miss the all-metal
>> bolt-together shelves of yore.
>>
>> My experience is that metal shelving tasked with holding a few hundred LP
>> records does much better when bolted to wall studs.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "eugene hayhoe" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 5:59 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Record (LP) shelving
>>
>>
>>  Mickey - those sound almost identical to the ones I built. My material
>>> costs for wood and paint alone were more than the cost of the $60 metal
>>> with composite shelves unit I mentioned previously.
>>>
>>> I will also not be moving the ones I built; nor I expect will anyone else
>>> - ripping them out is the only real option. They are sturdy enough to move,
>>> but I cannot imagine trying to get them up the stairs.  The metal ones can
>>> easily be disassembled & moved.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sat, 2/22/14, Mickey Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Record (LP) shelving
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:05 PM
>>>
>>> Hello-I designed and built my own
>>> shelves. This involves 3/4 plywood cut to 12" for the
>>> shelves. The vertical pieces are where the system really
>>> works. You cut squares of 3/4 ply which are sandwiched
>>> against the vertical parts, leaving a 3/4 " slot for each
>>> shelf to slide in, which doubles the thickness of the
>>> vertical portions, and the horizontal pieces are glued and
>>> screwed into place. When you load your records onto this
>>> design, the left and right area where the records lean is
>>> completely flat - i.e. - no braces to stress records when
>>> they lean. You cut enough squares to create dividers (maybe
>>> 3 for an eight foot shelving unit.) Staggering them and
>>> gluing and nailing them in place with finishing nails so
>>> they're flush - this will give vertical support so that the
>>> middle of the shelf doen't sag. I have built a few this way
>>> and it's a very efficient design. Take care to have the
>>> clearance with an extra 1" of height so that if you have
>>> books of records that there is adequate clearance. If anyone
>>> wants a photo for detail, please advise and I can send you
>>> pictures-Mickey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shakarjian" <
>>> [log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Record (LP) shelving
>>>
>>>
>>> > Well, that's not good news. I had just bought one of
>>> the Expedit shelving units last year. I needed something to
>>> put more LPs in. So I bought one that had 8 cubbies.
>>> > I like it. I went to the Ikea store to check it out and
>>> it was fairly solid. The price wasn't outrageous either. Now
>>> I actually need more space and I want another one. I'll have
>>> to make sure I get over there soon. The last time I was
>>> there they were out of some models. Maybe with the
>>> change-over they won't replenish stock.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mark Shakarjian
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from a device you don't need to know about
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Thomas Stern <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> According to various web articles and the Jim Eigo
>>> Jazz Promo e-mail,
>>> >> IKEA will replace their EXPEDIT line with KALLAX
>>> units which have thinner
>>> >> side boards.
>>> >>
>>> >> Has anyone experience using EXPEDIT for LP
>>> storage??
>>> >>
>>> >> Most composite material shelves (which these are)
>>> do not stand up
>>> >> to the weight of vinyl, certainly not shellac.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've seen some of the IKEA BILLY shelves used for
>>> CD storage,
>>> >> the shelves tend to sag after a while.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any comments welcome. Thanks!
>>> >>
>>> >> Best wishes, Thomas.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>
> 

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