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Re: Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts

From:

Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 24 Mar 2014 08:12:59 -0700

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From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> That's very interesting. Thanks for posting that, Mike. Do you
> know what the content was of those GE Hour symphony broadcasts?
> Thanks, John

Yes I do but I don't have the materials handy.  I also have a full set
of the DREADFUL transfers made from the ineptly designed playback
machine.  I have not heard from them if they are going ahead with plans
to make another machine.  Damrosch is quoted as saying that the sound of
the films was wonderful, so it has got to be that newly constructed
(distructed) playback machine. There are at least 10 full programs
including the one he had listened to.  The guy who made the machine was
a computer programmer and I guess he didn't realize that analog
recordings did not re-clock for jitter.

Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> > Here's a link to a cite that discusses the earliest radio broadcasts
> >(not limited to symphonic), based on the expertise of ARSC;s own Dr.Biel.
> > http://www.old-time.com/mcleod/ Best, John Haley
>
> It has been a while since Elizabeth has updated this essay, so she does
> not include new discoveries such as the June 1924 WEAF excerpts of
> Victor Herbert's "Sweethearts" from the memorial performance on the
> stage of the Capitol theater and excerpts of the Roxy's gang show which
> followed; the 1925 broadcast sign-off from the Kansas City radio
> convention featuring many famous announcers from around the country; and
> the many WGY recordings from 1929 and 1930 Pallophotophone films
> including some complete G.E Hour symphony broadcasts, B.A. Rolfe Lucky
> Strike Orch, and other excerpts including a high school basketball game
> called by Graham McNamee. The films were played on a machine they made
> without any flywheel stabilizing, thus are nearly unlistenable until
> they get a machine built by an audio expert.
>
>
> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > I have often wondered,what is the earliest surviving recording of a
> > symphony orchestra radio broadcast?
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:51:58 -0700
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > Yes,
> > >
> > > February 10, 1922, as noted in the posting, so the DSO beat the NY Phil
> > by 6 months.
> > >
> > > However, as a consolation, it appears that NYPO had the first national
> > broadcast in 1930,
> > > 4 years before the DSO began their Ford Hour broadcasts.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Leo Gillis
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 7:24 PM
> > >
> > > Can you supply date?
> > >
> > > New York Phil. Many summer Concerts were complete, the first
> > > being 8/11/22.
> > >
> > > Steve Smolian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Leo Gillis
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:09 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour broadcasts
> > >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > There certainly were earlier broadcasts of classical music
> > > on the radio but it seems that the DSO was the first to do a
> > > full concert.
> > >
> > > This is from the DSO website:
> > >
> > > "In 1922, Gabrilowitsch led the orchestra and guest pianist
> > > Artur Schnabel in the world's first radio broadcast of a
> > > symphonic concert on WWJ-AM. "
> > >
> > > and from last.fm:
> > >
> > > "The DSO performed the world's first radio broadcast of a
> > > symphonic concert on February 10, 1922 with pianist Artur
> > > Schnabel, and became the first nationally broadcast radio
> > > orchestra on the Ford Sunday Evening Hour, later Ford
> > > Symphony Hour from 1934 to 1942 on the Columbia Broadcast
> > > System."
> > >
> > > and from the Schabel Music Foundation:
> > >
> > > "Feb. 1922 --Schnabel coincidentally participated in the
> > > first live radio broadcast of a complete symphony orchestra
> > > concert. This was in Detroit, Michigan during his first
> > > American tour."
> > >
> > >
> > > There are only four instances of Schnabel mentioned in the
> > > performance archives of the DSO. The first two are for
> > > identical concerts on Feb. 9 and 10, 1922; the second
> > > performance was the one broadcast on WWJ (which, however,
> > > was still WBL at that time, and did not receive the call
> > > letters WWJ until March 3, 1922):
> > >
> > >
> > > Tenth Programme
> > > Subscription 10
> > >
> > > Detroit Symphony Orchestra
> > > Thursday, February 09, 1922
> > >
> > > Artists
> > > Ossip Gabrilowtisch, conductor
> > > Artur Schnabel, Piano
> > >
> > > Program
> > > Mendelssohn - Overture from Calm Sea and Prosperous
> > > Voyage, Op. 27 Brahms - Piano Concerto No.1 in D
> > > minor, Op.15 Intermission Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6
> > > in B minor, Op. 74, "Pathétique"
> > >
> > >
> > > So when did the NYPO start their broadcasts? From their site
> > > we have:
> > >
> > > "Aug. 11, 1922 - First broadcast by a
> > > major symphony orchestra, New York Philharmonic,
> > > program conducted by Willem van Hoogstraten from Lewisohn
> > > Stadium."
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Leo Gillis
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > On Thu, 3/20/14, Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
> > > broadcasts
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:26 PM
> > >
> > > Hi, there, DDR et al,
> > >
> > > The New York Philharmonic was being broadcast regularly
> > > the
> > > previous year.
> > >
> > > Steve Smolian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:12 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Ford Sunday Evening Hour
> > > broadcasts
> > >
> > > The 1923 broadcasts are authentic but unrecorded. The were
> > > conducted by
> > > Gabrilowitsch. They may have been the first radio
> > > broadcast
> > > of a regular
> > > symphony orchestra concert. The Minneapolis Symphony under
> > > Verbrugghen also
> > > broadcast in that same year.
> > >
> > > DDR
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks, Leo. Great info.
> > > > Best, John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Leo Gillis <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The online archives of the DSO for the Ford
> > > Sunday
> > > Evening Hour goes
> > > > > from
> > > > > 2/16/1934 to 3/8/1947. A couple are listed for
> > > 1923, but I'm not
> > > > > sure if those are correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dso.org/performanceTitle.aspx?page_id=648
> > > > >
> > > > > The list of conductors includes: Victor
> > > Kolar, Fritz Reiner, Mischa
> > > > > Levitsky, Alexander Smallens, Charles Hackett,
> > > Richard Bonelli, Sir
> > > > Ernest
> > > > > MacMillan, Emma Otero, Franco Ghione, Elwyn
> > > Carter, Andre
> > > > > Kostelanetz,
> > > > Sir
> > > > > John Barbirolli, Sir Thomas Beecham, Wilfrid
> > > Pelletier, Jose Iturbi,
> > > > George
> > > > > Szell, Sir Eugene Ormandy, Reginald Stewart,
> > > Artur, Rodzinaksi,
> > > > > Eugene Goossens, Victor Kolar, Harold Koch,
> > > Dmitri
> > > Mitropoulos, Karl
> > > > > Krueger, William Steinberg, Leonard Bernstein,
> > > Efrem Kurtz, and C.
> > > Valter Poole.
> > > > >
> > > > > The first few years were all Kolar, (DSO
> > > principal
> > > conductor) then
> > > > > Reiner and Ormandy began appearing. Kolar,
> > > Reiner,
> > > Ormandy, Iturbi,
> > > > > Pelletier
> > > > and
> > > > > Beecham did numerous performances, and many of
> > > these in later years
> > > > > were held at the Music Hall, another fine, small
> > > venue in downtown
> > > > > Detroit, still in operation. Several of the
> > > listings unfortunately
> > > > > do not include the performance venue.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Leo Gillis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Don Tait
> > > ([log in to unmask])
> > >
> > >
> > > > > < [log in to unmask]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have tapes or private CD-Rs of some
> > > of those broadcasts. From
> > > > > circa > 1941/2. Each 30 minutes. All I
> > > have are conducted by Fritz
> > > > > Reiner, who > presumably took the train
> > > up from Pittsburgh for the
> > > > > gig. I got the > recordings >
> > > from fellow Reiner collectors and
> > > > > have no idea who might have
> > > conducted > other > programs. As one
> > > > > might expect, the selections are short
> > > and the musical > gruel is
> > > > > pretty thin. The "theme music" for each
> > > program is the French >
> > > > > horn > "bedtime" music from Hansel und
> > > Gretel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not remember
> > > whether the
> > > > > announcer(s) said from where the
> > > > > > broadcasts originated. Sorry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don Tait
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2014 3:38:10
> > > P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Starting in 1934 and continuing
> > > for a number of years
> > > > > thereafter, the > Detroit
> > > Symphony
> > > appeared on a radio program,
> > > > > the Ford Symphony Hour.
> > > > > > Some
> > > > > > of the most distinguished
> > > conductors of that time regularly
> > > > > guested on > this > show,
> > > which
> > > also featured big name soloists.
> > > > > Preserved broadcasts show
> > > > > > that the orchestra was an excellent
> > > one
> > > during this period, and
> > > > > the > acoustics audible on these
> > > recordings sound OK, with a touch
> > > > > of nice hall > ambiance. A
> > > number of these broadcasts are sought
> > > > > after by collectors. I >
> > > don't know where these shows were
> > > > > recorded, but I assume they predate
> > > the > Ford Auditorium referred
> > > > > to previously.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > John Haley
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1006 Langer Way
> > > Delray Beach, FL 33483
> > > 212.874.9626
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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