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Re: [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD player)?

From:

Music Hunter <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 16 May 2014 09:44:00 -0400

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Often, our library clients replace discs that have been ruined, lost, or
stolen.

At the recent MLA conference in Atlanta, I learned that some music
librarians have a problem with professors not returning CDs/DVDs that they "
borrowed " for classes.

Your sticker idea has merit, especially if you find a way to get folks to
read it, etc. The downside is that unfortunately in this day & age, too many
folks lack RESPECT for others or for regulations that are set for the
public's own good.

Just my humble opinion.....

Your search for sound & video ends here!
Jay Sonin, General Manager
Music Hunter Distributing Company
4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101
Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552
[log in to unmask]
561-450-7152 


-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD
and DVD player)?

Jay, for libraries, what's the alternative? Despite the drawbacks (mainly
the fact that librarians and customers tend to rough-handle 5" discs so they
become unusable relatively quickly), US copyright laws make other
alternatives non-viable for many libraries and patrons.

I hate to say something too nice about cassettes, but those were the most
bullet-proof library-circulation medium. The local librarians are forever
bitching about how quickly expensive audiobooks get unusable because one CD
out of many has been ruined by a clumsy patron or librarian. 
They tell me that in the cassette era, it was rare to have to replace a
tape. The audiobook publishers are not always cooperative about replacing a
single CD. It's the same with music -- one jerk can wreck a CD in his car
with one careless handling move, and then the library has to pay full
frieght to replace it. Cassettes were harder to render unusable, as bad as
they sounded.

I was thinking about doing the following as charity for my local library
system:  having a bunch of rolls of stickers printed up that list concise
and clearly-stated guidelines for handling CDs -- don't touch the surface,
don't put the disc face-down on a surface, don't scrape the disc over any
rough surfaces, insert and remove from players carefully, etc -- and handing
out rolls of stickers to each library in the system so they can stick them
on CD cases.

Same points apply to DVDs, but even more so since they become completely
useless when they're scratched up.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Music Hunter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD
and DVD player)?


> Hi Tom,
>
> I can tell you that our CD/DVD sales to libraries are better than ever,
> literally great.
>
> Jay
>
> Your search for sound & video ends here!
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
> Music Hunter Distributing Company
> 4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101
> Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552
> [log in to unmask]
> 561-450-7152
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Fine
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:58 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD
> and DVD player)?
>
> Hi Jay:
>
> We keep hearing pundits and prognosticators talk about the "coming end of
> physical media," but as you say the record companies keep cranking out
CDs.
> As far as I know Sony, and maybe other record companies, still own and
> operate CD manufacturing plants, so it may be in their interest to keep
CDs
> going at least until plants and equipment are well amortized.
>
> Also, can anyone point to a musician or group that garnered tremendous
radio
> play and/or record-music sales WITHOUT a CD release? Yes, you can break
> through with a song made in your basement and placed on YouTube, and you
may
> sell a few thousand downloads DIY'ing it through iTunes (and make a few
> thousand pennies on the deal), but I think you still need physical media
for
> mass market penetration. I may be wrong on that, but I'd like to hear some
> specific facts and examples that prove me wrong.
>
> Now here's what's changed. If you're Led Zeppelin in the late 1990s, you
get
> together with a remastering engineer, comb your vaults and maybe put out
> "Anniversary Edition" multi-CD sets with some studio out-takes and some
new
> artwork. You could count on brisk sales, because the first CD edition of
> your albums probably sounded like garbage and probably wasn't cut from the
> first-generation master tape.  Fast forward to 2014, and you can't just do
a
> CD release. You need to go multi-media:
> http://www.ledzeppelin.com/buy/
> I think it's called "multi-platform" nowadays. At multiple price points,
> with multiple content configurations. There is a download component, but
> notice that it's in the background with the marketing. Physical products
are
> still front and center.
>
> What I'm not so sure about is, how does this all play out with
> less-mainstream (ie slower-selling) artists and genres. In classical and
> jazz, the strategy in recent years has been to stick with CDs but greatly
> reduce the price-per-disc of content. So you have, for instance, the
Mercury
> and Decca and RCA box sets selling for less than $2 per disc, vs. more
than
> $10 per disc when the material was originally released in single-disc
> format. At these price points, forget about margin for deluxe remastering
> like Led Zep can do. The most popular classical and jazz titles, the ones
> proven popular over time and the rare break-out "hit" of more recent
> vintage, do present a business model enabling high-resolution mastering
and
> multi-format sales.
>
> I know from experience that these record companies watch the money like
> hawks, and if something is out of print or hasn't been remastered since
the
> dawn of CDs, it's because their previous sales figures and future sales
> projections tell them it won't be profitable to go any further with that
> content. Sometimes, there is a niche player like a 3rd party vinyl
reissuer,
> who can make hay with specific titles ignored by the parent company, but
> these are exceptions to the rule.
>
> Long and short, I think you'll be selling CDs well into old age, but it's
> entirely possible that the universe of available content on CD will shrink
> over time.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Music Hunter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD
> and DVD player)?
>
>
>> Hi Tom & friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any evidence pointing to that happening?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am still enjoying CDs obtained when CDs were first introduced in the
> early
>> '80's with no sign of self-degrading in over 30 years. I'm trying to
think
>> of what other products we have that have that still work as well as they
> did
>> when brand new.
>>
>>
>>
>> Talk about value...
>>
>>
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> Your search for sound & video ends here!
>>
>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>> Music Hunter Distributing Company
>> 4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101
>> Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552
>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> 561-450-7152
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Stephen Thomson Moore [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:33 AM
>> To: Wagstaff, D John; Edmonds, Amy; [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD
>> player)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Another concern with the end of the CD and DVD seems to be that our
> immense
>> collections of Cds will self-degrade and be nothing more than shiny discs
> in
>> a few short years. What about that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Tom Moore
>>
>> FIU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: <Wagstaff>, D John <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: "Wagstaff, D John" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:54 PM
>> To: "Edmonds, Amy" <[log in to unmask]>, "[log in to unmask]"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD
> player)?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think maybe the issue is that, once we reach a tipping point with
> e-books,
>> the publishers might decide to move to an I-Tunes account-type
> distribution
>> model, i.e. a "one individual/one account, no libraries need apply thank
> you
>> very much have a nice day but get lost". We're already seeing this with
> some
>> textbooks, after all. Print surrogates will then become impossible to
>> obtain, libraries are cut out of the equation, and first-sale doctrine is
>> sacrificed to licensing agreements.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't write this in a "the-publisher-is-the-enemy" spirit, they clearly
>> are only trying to make money and keep their businesses afloat, and
> arguably
>> if the roles were reversed we'd be doing the same. But I suspect that
> that's
>> definitely the commercial motivation behind the push towards e-books.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Wagstaff
>>
>> Head, Music & Performing Arts Library
>>
>> Interim Head, Literatures and Languages Library
>>
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>
>> 1114 W. Nevada Street
>>
>> Urbana IL61801
>>
>> Tel. 217-244-4070
>>
>> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Edmonds, Amy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:40 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD
> player)?
>>
>>
>>
>> The same thing that makes it easy to crank out e-books makes it easy to
>> publish in paper!  Why are they whining?
>>
>>
>>
>> I do read quite a bit on my kindle but for anything that I will be
working
>> with intellectually, I have to be able to put my sticky notes in it
> (shhh!)
>> and flip through the pages at will for the bits that I will recognize
>> visually but can't remember well enough to do a good search on a device.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Wagstaff, D John [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:09 PM
>> To: Stephen Thomson Moore; [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [MLA-L] RE: the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD
> player)?
>>
>>
>>
>> To answer this question I'd pose another, which is: For how many years
> have
>> we been seeing magazines with the question "Is this the year of the
> e-book?"
>> on their cover? (my answer: at least 15, and my answer is always "no").
In
>> spite of publishers really, really wanting to push e-books, we're still a
>> long way from having anything like a decent amount of e-books to offer in
>> the performing arts.
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Stephen Thomson Moore [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:09 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [MLA-L] the end of the CD and DVD (and the CD and DVD player)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear CW,
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you all seen any responsible prognostication on what the time frame
>> might be for the end of CD as a commercial format for music, and of the
> DVD
>> as a commercial format for video? Do you individually have any wise words
> in
>> this regard? I already heard in 1995 that the CD would soon be history
> (not
>> yet).
>>
>>
>>
>> Inquiringly, Tom Moore
>>
>> FIU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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